Wilder $100million DAZN offer

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  1. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Hearn went in brash and hard because he was fronting a new entrant into a mature market. When you're disrupting a mature market you need to make a big noise. He'd probably do the same again, maybe even double down on it. He doesn't say that now, because that phase has passed and there's no value to it any more. The people whose livlihoods he's endangering, like Arum, Espinoza or Haymon wouldn't think better of him if he changed his rhetoric, he's a threat to them and they respond accordingly. The fight didn't happen in 2018 because one or other of the parties didn't want it to happen. Just as its not happening now even with the change in communication from Hearn. The stuff we see in interviews is irrelevant to the business, it's part of the pantomime that sells fights nothing more. These are businessmen who make deals every day with people they despise. They honestly don't give a monkeys as long as the money's right. Hurt feelings and egos don't come into it. They do make for a useful excuse if its politic to put the blame on the other party however.

    Wilder's boosted his profile with the Fury fight but the real change in the money conversation has been Team AJ conceding the location of the fight once it became clear that they wouldn't get Wilder to the UK and that DAZN's entry into the US market had inflated prices to the point that a US location made sense for all parties.

    Previously Wilder was offered 15m of a 40m pot, which was a fair split given the relative commercial pulling power of each fighter, their titles and the ceiling of earnings from a UK fight. There's still precious little publicly available data to suggest that this is a PPV mega fight, what we do have is that DAZN have likely committed 250m to staging the fights on their platform. We now have several months in which they can test Wilder's commercial pull and the argument will be settled as to whether this fight is on PPV or DAZN. That's the real battle.
     
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  2. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Look at how the Hearn and DAZN offers to Wilder have inflated. The offers are getting bigger and bigger. Yet Wilder is the “dumb” guy. Ok.
     
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  3. TonyHayers

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    And look at what Wilder is doing. Rematching a guy he's already beaten in a no doubt two thirds full Barclays Centre for less money than Joshua earned for his weakest title fight. Well done Deontay - that'll show 'em.
     
  4. Twentyman

    Twentyman Watching Netball with Adam Smith Full Member

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    I know you love the money side of it but who do you think is the ‘A’ side now is in America....Wilder or AJ?
     
  5. Banksters

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    Good post. However you’re still wrong on one thing. Even if DAZN hadn’t come in, this fight still would’ve made more in the US than the UK. Hearn has admitted that countless times pre May 2018 (when DAZN was made public).

    It makes no sense, why they wouldn’t have tried to maximise the commercial value out of that fight by having it in the US rather than in London.
     
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  6. Banksters

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    Their is such a simple reason for that. Joshua’s fanbase consists of ultra loyal/nationalistic football fans. Americans are not like that. It’s simply a difference of culture. The vast majority of people who will be at the Joshua-Ruiz fight will be Brits!

    The whole point to go to the US was to get away from the Brits and build up another fanbase to milk from. They haven’t been able to do that. Wilder has a small tribe from alabama that’s it.
     
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  7. TonyHayers

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    There are obvious reasons why you can make more money in the US than the UK: historically far higher PPV costs, a potential audience around six times higher, increased ticket revenue, and the fact that if you get to a certain standard you can still rake in the PPV money from the UK given how many numbers were sold for the likes of Lewis Tyson and Hatton Mayweather.

    However, none of this really addresses the issue here, which is that Wilder earns significantly less than Joshua, even before the latter has ever even fought in the States. The reason for Joshua going to America is an obvious one as addressed above, but none of this means he's suddenly on an equal footing with Wilder.

    If this fight is not happening because Wilder and his team want equal weight in terms of financial negotiations, then they need to start proving they bring equal revenue to the table. But I'm not sure they can.
     
  8. TonyHayers

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    We can't say how Joshua will perform for certain given he's never fought in the States.

    I'd say it's very clear that in a global sense Joshua is the bigger draw by a considerable margin.
     
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  9. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He just picked up some easy money blasting someone out in one round and again going viral with his KO and increasing his profile further.

    And the Hearn DAZN offers are still there.

    I’d say he’s doing fine.

    Also he’s from Alabama. He already probably had enough money to retire and set his kids up for life.
     
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  10. Twentyman

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    Global sense....really? Joshua is huge in the UK, i’m not convinced he (as of yet) carries the same weight globally. We’re a relatively small set of countries. Whereas the US market is massive in comparison to anywhere else, and Wilder is the bigger name there. As mentioned above, a fight between Wilder and AJ is much much bigger in the US than it is in the U.K. in terms of revenue...that’s because of Wilder, i’m not convinced AJ vs someone outside of Wilder or Fury in the US brings in the kind of viewing figures that it would in the U.K.

    If AJ wants some of that serious coin from the US, he’s gonna have to treat Wilder as an equal in negotiations or even give in a little bit more.

    Joshua needs a similar KO against Ruiz on 1st June. A nice viral clip would help to get him across in America.
     
  11. TonyHayers

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    If he's not concerned with money then surely you take the chance to become unified?

    If he's not concerned with money what does beating Ortiz, again, offer him that beating Joshua doesn't?
     
  12. TonyHayers

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    As I said before, Joshua makes miles more money than Wilder and in a business sense, that's all that matters. If Wilder is so huge why does he earn so little in comparison to what Joshua does against comparable opponents?

    You say 'if AJ wants some of that serious coin' as though Wilder's making serious coin. He's not.
     
  13. Twentyman

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    He makes far more money in the UK. Forget about the U.K. market a moment, think of the US market, it’s about dance partners, Tony. People are not that inspired with watching them knockout the Breazeale’s and Ruiz’s of this world, they want to see Wilder v Joshua. So together in the ring they will make massive money.

    Feel like i’m having to join all the dots for you here, Tone.
     
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  14. Holler

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    He made the point that there was very little in it, certainly not enough for them to give up home advantage.

    As to why they wouldn't chase every last cent, just fast forward to when the cards were read out after Wilder v Fury, there's your answer. Why give up all your A side advantage for what was at the time only a marginal increase in revenue? Didn't make sense.

    Also consider that Wilder has few additional revenue streams outside his ring earnings whilst AJ is better understood as a brand than a boxer. He's making a fortune from endorsements, he simply doesn't need to chase every last dollar.
     
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  15. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    He made $45m last year alone, he has three world title belts, a string of lucrative endorsements, a network desperate to sign him up to a long term deal, he doesn't have to do anything, let alone give the guy who has been slagging him off for the last couple of years a break.

    If this fight doesn't happen next year AJ can fight Fury or Usyk or Pulev or whoever and he'll make a fortune. Wilder will make a fraction and he'll be 34 soon with a style that's heavily dependent on speed.

    If I'm AJ I'd sack any manager that told me I had to give Wilder 50/50 because he's a winner and he'll want to win the negotiations as much as he'll want to win the fight. He'll do both in my opinion.
     
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