Wilder and Joshua Fighting it out in Nigeria

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by William Walker, Oct 21, 2022.


  1. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't see the difference between Fury/Chisora and Ali/Bugner.
     
  2. SomeFella

    SomeFella Member Full Member

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    Ali was a dominant champion who cleared the division multiple times, for one.
     
  3. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So whats the difference between Bugner and Chisora?
     
  4. kirk

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    Bugner was the 7th opponent Ali had fought within a 12 month span.

    At the opening bell, Ali had fought like 60 professional rounds in the proceeding 12 months.

    Chisora was handpicked as Fury's second fight in the same time frame, with his previous fight being a cakewalk against fringe contender Whyte. Fury has fought a total of 6 rounds in the previous 12 months leading in to the Chisora fight.

    All of this while he could have hand selected several better opponents, or just let his promoter finish the job in making the AJ fight happen.


    Contexts matter.
     
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  5. kirk

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    Bugner was a 20 something year old, ranked opponent? He was a top 10 heavyweight that Ali was taking on in the 7th fight in 12 months.

    Not a 38 year old, half retired fighter, not ranked in the top 10 by any official rankings anywhere and one of only two opponents within the last 12 months.


    One is a ranked opponent. One isnt. One was in his 'prime', one is 38 years old and taking a last payday before he enters retirement.
     
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  6. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali was incredibly active as a champion. He puts the other top contenders and champions of his era to shame in that regard as none of them fought as often as Ali.
     
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  7. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Better "diets", Klitschko longevity and Fury's retirement is partly the reason it is crowded with old men.

    Wlad and Vitali dominated a division, but didn't fight very frequently, so there was a build up of contenders. The natural progression would have been for Povetkin to dethrone Wlad, but it didn't happen.

    Fury did, but then he retired.

    It should have been Fury, Joshua and Wilder clearing up the division. The three of them sharing the load.

    Instead we just had Joshua, as Wilder had no interest in taking on the best for many years, and Fury was fighting rank outsiders as part of his come back.

    The funny thing is, Joshua gets crap now for actually tidying up a lot of the Klitschko/Povetkin cohort.
     
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  8. FastLeft

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    I think it's a case of everyone fighting infrequently. & the sanctioning organisations rewarding old men for waiting in a line. & too many boxers ducking eliminators (although in the case of Povetkin he did actually eliminate Whyte for another shot, only to be signed into a rematch) .

    AJ gets criticism for beating old men.
    because they were old men.
    which I suppose is a lot better than beating no one. true.
    but still.
     
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  9. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    That could make it even better though. Both mentally wrecked by their last opponents.