Wilder back to fighting bums June 12th

There's no evidence to support this claim.

Wilder actually appears to be flirting with retirement if you look at his social media.

Instead of training he's learning to play the piano , firing off machine guns and enjoying bottles of wine in the evening.

 

Eh. Coming off of a humbling beat down and not having fought in what...........2 years nearly? It is what it is. Wilder's not very good, and his ego is shattered so they're looking to get him in with someone that he can ice. Going in against someone in the top 10, may shove him further down the rabbit hole. They're simply trying to dust him off and jumpstart his knockout streak again. Either way, the polish is off (if there ever really was any on him), and he's gonna lose again sooner rather than later.

 

Boxrec doesn't need to bother. They use computer program and this program calculate ranking points automatically.

You can't even get top 100 ranking if you do not start to rank all boxers and boxrec therefore ranks all boxers.
Otherwise you can't rank someone 99 th, 100 th or 101 th and like this.

The Ring uses experts panel and ofc they can't have resources to rank all boxers with this method. They rank overall and resumes and boxer's opponent's reusmes in depth. Such labor to do for someone 1000 th is not possible.
Boxing orgs : WBA, WBC, IFB, WBO uses their own algorithms and public list is available for top boxers.
The difference is that they does not rank a boxer if he didn't had asked.

boxrec and The ring ranks all top boxers ( boxrec = all boxers ), boxing orgs : boxers who are under their ranking.

 

I just meant in comparison to PBO. They also used an algorithm, but they didn't publish fighter ranks below 100. Marking it as a W on the record of the fighter.

For example at a certain point Boxrec ratings lose meaning beyond the arbitrary

Fury #1 @ 1015 pts.
Joshua #2 @ 761.9
Browne #50 @ 6.155
Iyallev #100 @ 1.303
MacFarlayne #200 @ 0.258

That and the new ranking algorithm they chose a year ago is arguably worse than the previous one.

 

No.
Boxrec algo takes in account where fight had happened and method of the win. Also round and how much rounds had been scheduled to fight.
Also difference between boxer's ranking before fight ( points ) etc stuff.
Looks that ranking is impacted also by boxers performance after he had fought vs you. Like if he lost next fights in row or had winning steak after fight vs you etc alike.

I usually had used fight fax and boxrec, orgs and these other rankings mainly for overall estimate.


I do not wonder why boxrec might rank Fury win vs Klit in Germany higher than A.J hometown win vs Klit. Also then he had lesser ranking points for sure than before fight vs Fury and he then had multiple belts despite he was old.
Also A.J had lost via stoppage vs Ruiz and won via UD vs Ruiz while Fury record vs Wilder is a draw and win via stoppage not in U.K but in U.S.
The same applies about Pulev's beatup, he did not had been ranked in boxrec top5 before fight vs A.J.
If IBF had ranked Pulev so highly to fight vs A.J this isn't boxrec problem.

 

If I find the original post I could maybe give a decent answer. Could be I put in breazeale also and was too lazy to look at the rankings...

In the first fight which was the one listed above Fury had dropped out of most rankings but wbc worked their magic in the way only they can and made Fury something like 8th on the basis of beating pianeta and an old cruiser weight whose name escapes me.

 

Very good examples that add weight to your argument. I agree with you 100%

 

Wilder does need to get his confidence back before the inevitable fight with Whyte.

I don't necessarily think Wilder's time is up. If he loses to Whyte it's game over for him. But if he beats Whyte he's back in the mix.

He will be fighting it out with AJ in the post-Fury era. Because I do think Fury will retire after beating AJ to avoid taking a trilogy with Wilder.

Then we will have a new trio: Wilder, AJ and Usyk. Be interesting to see who comes out on top because they all have their own major advantages but also major disadvantages.

 

Sorry, I'm not sure where you're going with that.

But if you look at Boxrec's rating system of fights etc. Their point ratings no longer match their own descriptors in the FAQs

A lot of it comes across as arbitrary: Their idea was p4p top 100 fighters to be rated 5 star. But it is based on a points total not the ranking. The descrepancy becomes more obvious as you go down deeper. A "4 star" fighter should be top 300, it's actually top 264.
A 3 star fighter should be top 900, it's actually top 739

Is the guy at 740 significantly better than the guy at 739, or was that an arbitrary line that needed to be drawn somewhere.

But why 739? Odd place to draw the line.


Beyond the ratings, Boxrec is a great resource however. Though I guess you can use them as a general guide as you say

 

boxrec and fight fax are used by matchmakers in professional boxing toghether with amateur background in ALL levels, starting from small club level events. That's it.
Easy to see who the boxer had fought perviously, opponents records and who they had fought and their records.
Amateur boxing and pro KB/MT records they does have incomplete, most likely cos fighter's managers did not had submitted these and like this.

Historically I had been more comfortable with boxrec and The Ring ranking.
Boxing orgs ranks boxers but only these that are under their ranking system and they should ask to rank them etc each org separately.

 

Stars most likely are also cos fights significance.
A title fights prob are ranked higher.

 

Back in the game. Buuum squad

 

never seen a guy with so much power and such a weak a ego,

Wilder does not like fighting guys that pose him any significant threat and that will not change.

 

According to boxrec it is just based on the idea of where the two fighters are ranked on the pound for pound table.
If both fighters are in the top 100 then it is a 5 star fight
If both fighters are in the top 300 then it is a 4 star fight
Etc.
These are approximations based on their points totals. No mention of any other factors


Anyway I have rarely looked at their rankings for contemporary boxers since they changed the algorithm following Wilder's loss to Fury. It was a very suspicious restructuring of their rankings, almost like they had certain fighters they needed to artificially boost, much like The Ring in that regard

 

Wilder needs to fight a guy like Ruiz. I'd pay to watch that. Not sure who'd win, so that makes it even more interesting to me.