Wilder could be just a throwback to the heavyweights in the 70s,80s a before that.

I mostly agree with you. Wilder is a shot fighter today but had his run where he was a force.

As you said, people age it different rates. Some people can take more shots to the head before their brain is damaged than others.

It's just how it is. Sometimes it's environment and sometimes it's probably genetic.

That Wilder is a shot fighter is clear to see to anyone who looks with a critical eye.

It doesn't mean he had nothing to bring earlier in his career.

 

Wilders defences….

areola who was good enough for klitschko to defend against

Molina n brezeale, who were good enough for Joshua to defend against.

Defended against fury who just fought for undisputed.

Ortiz who was ranked in top 3-5 at the the time in ring magazine and mostorgs.

Stiverne who beat Arreola (above) to win klitschko belt after he retired. Stiverne was the favourite vs wilder in this fight, or did you want wilder to not face him?

Johan, Washington and spilka are Chisora/whyte level which are good enough for fury to defend against.

why do his defences get rubbished?

 

Whyte is absolutely crap, has no balance and struggles to throw a straight punch sometimes but he’s still miles ahead of the likes of spillka, Washington etc.

 

I think them ones are similar, all shite. Whyte n Chisora to me is just as pointless as a defence as Washington spilka n Johan.

I do like Chisora though, but he’s never been world level. Vitali fought him as they had easy defences too but now ppl forget that.

 

Age is definitely different for everyone that much is true. Whether it be Crawford, Usyk, or Beterbiev (3 of the Top 5 fighters in the WORLD) they all have had career best performances AFTER 35. That doesnt necessarily mean it should be the same for Wilder but let's look objectively at his fights.

Wilder looked great in Fury 3 and he went out on his shield like a soldier. He scored a few KDs and just looked sharp especially early. Then he regrouped and looked like a possessed man against Helenius. The speed, the fire, the set-up...it was all there. Then, a few months later and he's...he's shot. Be serious. Put Wilder in front of any opponent from his first 35 fights and he'll look like a rabid KO artist again. Put him in w a HW who fights for a living (and doesn't subsidize their income w OnlyFans) and all of a sudden he's old and shot.

Its not hatred. I definitely dislike Wilder because of his awful conduct but I can separate that from his boxing ability (or lackthereof). You seem upset because what I'm saying doesn't fit your narrative so your trying to twist and conform things so they fit nice and snug back into your concept of Wilder. Its irrational and poor compensation for inadequate coping.

And, for the record, any version of Joseph Parker beats any version of Wilder. Same can be said for Zhang. When you say "level" what exactly do you mean? Skill? Wilder was never the fighter you think he was. His best win came against 38 year old Luis Ortiz which was the same age Parker shut Wilder out, but people like you repeatedly praise Wilder for coming back against 38yr old Ortiz and discredit Parker for shutting out 38yr old Wilder.

If by "level" you mean fame and fortune, it is true that Wilder is more famous and presumably wealthy than those guys and most HWs, but that's literally one of the problems with boxing. I hope by "level" you mean I dont know why youre celebrating that. That kind of fan has made a circus out of all this like Jake Paul.

Get checked

 

By level it’s simple, achievement.

The only pivotal part I disagree with what you said there is the helenius fight, (who is also shot) I thought we didn’t see much and was disappointed it ended early as I wanted to see what he had left after the fury fight.
fighters can get old overnight, it happens. He won’t be the last. And fury 3 was several years ago.

 

Take Wilder back to the 70's and 80's and I can't think of one world class fighter he beats. Maybe Norton, but he'd want to get Ken out of there in the first two rounds otherwise Wilder is leaving in the back of a meatwagon.

Wilder is not a throwback fighter. He's just not all that good.

 

Wilder looked like Wilder from Brezeale, Stiverne 2, and Malik Scott (lol at that dive/fake KO) against Helenius.

Wilder is likely a slightly better Berlanga for me. For a brief moment people started getting pumped Berlanga was special but for those w eyes to see it was clear he was taking showcase after showcase type fights. Wilder is/was even more 1 dimensional than Berlanga but his straight right hand was elite for a period of time. Nonetheless it was clear in Ortiz fights and later in Fury 1 that he had literally nothing else to offer. It only took an opponent who wanted to win (and not just collect a check) to show that. My hunch is any of AJ, Wlad, Parker, hell even Whyte or Zhang wouldve done the same thing.

I was also very interested in the Povetkin fight and it was a shame Deontay was robbed of that opportunity as that wouldve been a very nice name for the resume.

 

Wilder doesn't have wins to put him above Parker or Zhang. And Whyte and Chsiora are pretty clearly above Spizka/Washington. Didn't Chisora beat both of them?

 

Spilk wash and Johan were wilders 3 weak defences, out of his 10. He gets crucified for these. But clearly activity was important in bringing him on.

My point is their level is similar to whyte/chisora, failed at world title level nothing more than fringe contenders. Brit’s get a lot more hype on YouTube than any other boxers.

 

Wilder displayed the same flaws that did against Washington, Spzilka, Duhaupas and Ortiz ( who all caused him problems ) that he did against Parker and Zhang. The difference was the gulf in quality between the two sets of boxers.

 

Whyte and Chisora have clearly had better careers than any of those guys and at their best were solid top 10 guys.

Whyte beat Chisora, Parker and Rivas. That comfortably puts him ahead of Spizka and Washington