Wilder couldn't pull the trigger, that's the end

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  1. howard29

    howard29 Member Full Member

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    You've seen it with countless other fighters- they get to the point where they see the opening, but by the time their brain tells their body to throw the punch, the opening is gone. That's when you know. The thing about Wilder though is even when he could pull the trigger, he was terribly inaccurate and only KO'd stiffs. Time to get out.
     
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    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Thing with Parker is you can make an opening if you work him hard enough and mid fight onwards if you take him deep he fades pretty badly

    Wilder didn't do anything

    He has perfect tape on Parker from the Joyce & AJ fights but instead let Parker dictate

    Wilder was scared about getting chinned then late fight a little bit or urgency came but no enough. No fire. No dog.

    I wanted to atleast see if Wilder got aggresive whether Parker would step to him or go defensive like he normally does. Wilder failed to test the waters. He ring circled around like a plum.
     
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  3. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah he couldn't. Parker ain't the truck Drivers Wilder is used to fight.

    The moment i heard one of Andy's interview where he says that Parker doesn't need to do anything special to beat Wilder i knew Wilder is in deep s****. And the moment i see Parker in the first round with his body movement i knew Wilder is going to s**** himself.

    Nothing to do with Wilder being past his best, took a beating from Fury, etc, etc. Parker is different caliber fighter than anyone Wilder fought prior.

    Hell an unbeaten AJ couldn't even hurt Parker in their fight, no version of Wilder would ever be able to beat Parker.

    The only and i really mean only concern i have over Parker is how is his chin after that loss from Joyce.

    Keep it up with the excuses, you are just embarrassing yourself by not giving Parker and his team the credits they deserve.
    12-0 let that sink in !!!
     
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    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Heh. It depends on the opponent too. He pulled the trigger vs Helenius just fine.
     
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    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, they say your punch is the last thing you lose but that won’t do you much good if you don’t have the speed, timing an reflexes to throw an land it anymore
     
  6. howard29

    howard29 Member Full Member

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    That's because with Helenius you see the opening and it never closes:)
     
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    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    It's a convenient excuse at best and a case of bad management at worst.

    If Wilder was rusty and fading then it was stupid to let him fight someone a clear level or two better than anyone he'd ever beaten... Better management would've made him take a tune-up or two first to get sharp again, or just followed his general career path (minus the Fury mistake) and carry on taking undue credit for beating journeymen until he retired.

    Let's be honest, it's risky trying to step up from your best wins in your later years regardless - it's especially silly when you haven't fought in ages.

    On the other hand, precisely because Parker is better than anyone Wilder's beaten, it's possible to make that argument that he's just shot and that's it...
    If he fights again against someone average and looks like the same old Wilder, it would make that loss much more significant.
     
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    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Or if your punch relies on planting your feet and throwing a telegraphed overhand right (because you have no other power punches or ability to set it up) then fighting more skilled fighters who can deny you the opportunity will make it look like you've lost the ability... When in actual fact it's just a classic case of "levels".
     
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    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Like most of Wilders title defences... Even including gassed Fury towards the end of #1.

    And when you have guys who didn't just offer up their chins, Wilder struggled to find that punch - even if they were bang average fighters (Szpilka for example).
     
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    howard29 Member Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong I've never liked Wilder and never thought he had an ounce of skill, but at least he was trying to throw shots because he saw the opening, just usually never landed. He's over now though.
     
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    anjawnaymiz Can we get Ivan Dychko some momentum Full Member

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    I don’t think wilder expected Parker to be so aggressive
     
  12. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    There just wasn't an opening.

    Wilder always needed a pretty big opening.

    It's a levels and styles thing, IMHO.
     
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    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Exposed... But maybe essentially the same thing.

    Or at least, it's the same thing as far as any decent fighters go - bums with wide open chins he'd probably look basically the same as the Helenius fight.