Wilder dared to be great, Canelo did not

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  1. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: STFU with your assumptions on me. You're the one crying here, trying to sell a turd as a diamond.

    Oh, I see. You took enough training just to be able to talk **** to others and say you've trained. Guess that makes your opinion even stronger, right??? :lol: Cool story bro.

    My emojis aren't to get a reaction from you jackass.... You're just being stupid here, trying to up Wilder for taking a rematch for the HW championship.
     
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  2. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What?
    Wife beating and being a poor loser?
    Sitting on a belt for 5 yaers and fighting nobodies until he fought Fury as a cherry pick because he thought it would be an easy nights work..?
    Wilder's career was always smoke and mirrors to anyone who knew what they were looking at.
    Gee what an inspiration.....
    Also nobody spat on Wilder's face. he just got exposed after being kept away from anyone with a pulse for several years on the trot.
     
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  3. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes but this is the narrative that Wilder and Fury fanboys like to spin but frankly it's bollocks.
    Both need to over inflate the other because both resume's are crap as only Fury has Vlad. that's the only elite fighter fought between the two of them. That is tragic compared to previous Champs. Fury has only 5 World Championship fights and three of them against Wilder.
    Both resume's are garbage end of discussion.
    Firstly Fury isn't the clear number 1 as he's not fought most of the other top guys. Yes he's undefeated but nobody knows how he squares up against either Joshua or Usyk. If either of those two become umdisputed then Fury will just be a foot note in this era that's just reality he will be the nearly man.
    Now let's get on point "Wilder dared to be great rematching Fury" No he didn't it's not like he accepted he was beaten by the better man.
    After the 2nd fight he was just making one excuse after another from the heavy costume to Fury having dodgy gloves and cheating. Wilder is that low in IQ and surrounded by yes men that he was deluded in thinking he was cheated. That's not the same as taking the loss like a man then making adjustments and then going back in the ring. That's overcoming that fear . what Wilder did is just pure delusion.
     
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  4. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Its not an assumption. Any idiot criticizing a boxer for trying to avenge a KO loss would have to be a coward.

    Well I didn't just train, I also competed and got hit in the face. It makes my opinion stronger than a coward criticizing pro boxers and saying they weren't trying to be great rematching an opponent who knocked them out.

    Then what could possibly be the reason for you posting them then? Enlighten me.
     
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  5. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Fury was the clear #1 in the division when Wilder rematched him in 2020. Usyk didn't fight Joshua until 2021 and Joshua certainly wasn't better than Fury. Joshua was KOd by Ruiz and he wasn't as skilled as Fury.

    It took guts for Wilder to rematch Fury and that would have been a far more difficult matchup than fighting Joshua for his titles. I don't see how that can even be debated at this point. Joshua was stiff with no head movement and probably would have gotten brutally KOd if they fought.

    It doesn't matter if Wilder accepted his loss, he was brutally KOd. He got outboxed the first time and KOd the second time so his proverbial "punchers chance" was like a wet match in a dark cave and he fought him again anyway. Yes wilder was delusional, but be definitely dared to be great. Being "humble" and admitting you lost is not a requirement for a boxers legacy nor is it a requirement for avenging a loss.
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I expected better from you Glass City.
     
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  7. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    WTF did i criticize Wilder about? Read much?? All I said is he isn't daring to be great by taking a rematch. :lol:

    :lol: I've been in fights before dumbass. You really have no clue what I am saying here do you?? Take some reading comprehension courses FFS....

    If the emoji shows a laugh, it's ME laughing. Do you really not know how emojis work??? :lol:
     
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  8. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    A rematch that he wasn't required to take. No one would hold it against him if he didn't fight fury after such a bad loss but he did. Fury wasn't the only belt holder. He was definitely daring to be great.

    If you've been in fights and you dont think it's great to try to avenge a bad KO loss then that begs the question if you've ever attempted to avenge a loss?

    You're laughing at the person you're replying to in a condescending way. This is just more disingenuous nonsense.
     
  9. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You need a life.... :risas3::risas3: Just continue to pretend to know everything about strangers, that's a good look for you!:eatingburger
     
  10. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I disagree. The fact is we don't really know as both Wilder and Fury haven't fought the other top guys.
    It's not a solid footing if your argument is this fighter could beat that fighter We base things on what's happened not what we think might happen.
    Joshua was still a unified champ and making more than the other two put together before the trilogy. Another thing that Fury and Wilder fans do is they have to crap on Joshua who was the only one of the three trying to become undisputed.
    I'm not a Joshua fanboy either I do push back with the Fury and Wilder fanboys and the fallacy narrative.
    Of course it matters whether Willder accepted it as your point is about being brave whilst I'm asserting that he was deluded. It doesn't work both ways that's a paradox.
     
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  11. Scar

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    What a load of garbage from a mental fruit. Moving up to Light Heavyweight to face a naturally bigger opponent isn't taking risks all of a sudden. :lol: Go watch Golovkin vs Lemieux, moron.
     
  12. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Fury also has the Klitschko win, not just Wilder. He was undefeated, Joshua wasn't. What "top guys" did Joshua beat? An even older Klitschko coming off a loss and Parker? That's about it. Martin was a joke and Whyte, well, we see in hindsight that he wasn't a very good boxer either. If you think that's enough to prove Joshua was better than Fury I don't know what to tell you.

    It isn't a paradox. He factually got his ass kicked whether he chose to make excuses or not. It was a very bold move to try to avenge that loss.
     
  13. Glass City Cobra

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    I didn't say that moving up in weight isn't taking risks. I said choosing the weaker of the two champions and having the first 4 rounds rigged isn't praiseworthy or daring to be great.
     
  14. exocet76

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    Well Vlad is really from the previous era so that leaves Wilder who didn't fight any of the top guys other than Kong who also fought nobody.
    So there's no context at all....
    I never stated Joshua was better than Fury you just did. What I said is was it's not clear cut without the top guys all fighting each other.
    The fact is Joshua fought far more top 10 guys and was trying to unify all the belts none of the others have other than Usyk so you have to give credit where it's due. The fact you don't means that you have a clear agenda.
    Also you can't just dismiss a fighter with hindsight because that's also being dishonest. Parker was an undefeated belt holder and Whyte was undefeated and had been a handful for everyone before the Fury fight which was always a bad style matchup for him.
    So no amount of your spinning will chamge my perspective as I'm looking at this objectively and you are not in this instance.
     
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  15. Glass City Cobra

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    Joshua Wilder and fury were the 3 best in the world, nobody else was even within their ballpark. There's plenty of room to discuss the context of who was the best during the Fury Wilder rematch. I just explained how.

    Joshua's so called top 10 opponents were trash other than an old povetkin and parker. By your own logic povetkin is from a "previous era" so that win doesn't count leaving just Parker and the Ruiz rematch which shouldn't have happened since he shouldn't have lost to Ruiz in the first place. Joshua defending his belt against sub par competition isn't enough to place him above Wilder and definitely not Fury.

    There is no need for "agendas" I have been on record expressing my disliking of Fury yet I am objective enough to give him credit and even made a thread declaring he might be a top 10 heavyweight h2h. Fury smashes every Joshua opponent other than Usyk who beat Joshua so how the hell was Joshua ever the best in the division over Fury? Your entire argument is that he made a bunch of defenses over sub par opponents in a weak era while ignoring the fact Joshua lost twice and Fury is undefeated.

    Yes I can dismiss Whyte in hindsight he's ****ing terrible. Was splattered by Joshua, lost to a flabby 40 year old povetkin who he was on the verge of beating and was splattered by Fury. His best performances were beating C level Chisora and winning very controversial matches against Parker and Rivas. How am I not being objective with Whyte? What did I miss in his supposedly great resume? I've seen almost all his fights and have been following his career for years, he doesn't pass the eye test and he certainly doesn't pass the resume test!