Wilder - Development inhibited

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  1. Whiteman2000

    Whiteman2000 Member Full Member

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    English fight fan watched Wilder on Saturday, and a few comments to make:

    - Wilder has undoubted athletic ability. That is clear for everyone to see. He could still put on some muscle on his legs as his balance is akin to Khan's before he started working with Ariza.

    - Wilder has big power. Leverage from long arms in conjunction with putting everything into each shot has resulted in the massive KO's. The problem with exerting massive energy into each punch is

    a. He gets massively off balance, often falling into opponents and crossing his back leg over infront of his front leg. (A true pro such as GGG always retains a central centre of balance) This will have a negative effect when facing a higher level of competition who could capitalise on Wilder being off balance and land decent counters.

    b. His punches are far too wide. A straight counter or short hook from a decent fighter could land before Wilders right (despite it being thrown with a tonne of speed)


    Obviously there remains question marks over Wilder's chin and there are clearly some underlying issues there. However, with his physical fundamentals, i.e. reach and height, that can be negated to an extent.

    The main problem for me is his trainer. Who is he? What advice was he giving Wilder in the corner. It was terrible. Only when he gets KO'd and suffers a loss do I think he will move to a 'big name'. Freddie Roach does not currently have a big heavyweight and could have time on his hands so that would be the logical move for me.

    They are talking Stivirne which is a big step up even after 30 fights and 30KO's. I actually believe Wilder would have more chance of beating Stivine than Tony Thompson as Stivirne tends to carry his left hand very low so it would only take one overhand right for Wilder to cause trouble. Perhaps not as silly choice as expected. Taking on Wlad after that would just be ridiculous as there has to be a massive gulf in class technically.


    On a side note -watching Anthony Joshua in only his second pro fight, he looked far more polished, technically sound and balanced than Wilder. Having watched Joshua in the amateurs, I was unsure he would succeed in the pro game but after 2 fights he already looks a bit special. What do the Americans think of Joshua?
     
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  2. Delicious

    Delicious Active Member Full Member

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    Some very good points made. Like you and unlike many others on this site, I don't think Wilder is an appalling fraud. But it's clear he's a hypejob and his resume is very poor for a former Olympic medalist and 30 fight veteran.

    He's got talent but his balance is still poor. Hardly a surprise when his fights end so early though. Joshua's movement is so much better and he's far more technically sound like you mentioned. I also hate seeing Wilder keeping his hands so low. I know he's not exactly facing a who's who of championship contenders but he has to work on these things now.

    A Stiverne fight is a good idea, like you said he's open to the overhand right but he's a solid top ten fighter and it would probably be better for Wilder to take on someone who he can comfortably go 8 rounds with. Firtha was at least a step up in this regard.
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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  4. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    you cant stop wilder....you can only hope to contain him
     
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  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with the point about the trainer. I don't understand why a good amateur with potential, who won an Olympic medal like Wilder would choose such an unknown and unproven trainer. Same with Joshua, too many good prospects seem to be choosing trainers who they can either control or are just yes men rather than ones with the credentials to fulfil their potential. Breland was a good pro but as a trainer he is simply not proven.

    Khan did the same, hires unknown trainer, get's KO'ed by Prescott who isn't even world class then hires a world class trainer and becomes a champion. Hell even Lewis did the same with Pepe Correa resulting in the loss to McCall.

    Joshua is clearly more technically sound compared to Wilder though still lacking areas to his game. Wilder has been poorly managed he's probably gained more experience sparring with Haye and Wlad than in all his pro fights combined.
     
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  6. Whiteman2000

    Whiteman2000 Member Full Member

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    I would have to disagree there somewhat - Joshua's trainer Tony Sims has some of the top prospects in the UK and whilst he does not sound the sharpest, he is very underrated and is likely to become much better known over the next few years.

    Re Wilder's trainer, his advice seemed poor. He has obviously got decent sparring in the form of Haye, K bros etc. so is getting good experience, but it seems as though he is teaching himself as opposed to having someone lead hm
     
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  7. img6493

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    its early but i think hes gonna be a top contender in the future. he is skilled and naturally a big dude so he's got massive potential imo.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Firtha nearly did stop him! :lol:

    Roll a d12 and distribute to upgrade his power, endurance, hit points, and finishing ability (that's right, D&D nerds turned boxing nerds STAND UP! 8)) and Wilder has an L and no more raffle ticket in the Klitschko title shot giveaway.
     
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  9. derrick

    derrick 6ft4 215 bring it on Full Member

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    Wilder would KO Wlad in one round. Wlad's chin is ****.
     
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  10. sjp17

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  11. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    :rofl
     
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  12. David HEY!!!

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    Just look at the way Joshua and Wilder fight for "medalists" compared to the podiums that held Lewis,Bowe, and Golota.There is such a huge gulf in skill and class it's not even funny.
     
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  13. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    :lol: you guys lol . Wilder's trainer is not unknown.
     
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  14. beast boxer

    beast boxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder is a KO waiting to happen. I don't even think he would be able to KO anyone with a decent chin, plus all the fighters he has faced so far are midgets that stand right in front of him. Tyson Fury stopped Firtha in 5 rounds in his 15th fight when he was only 23 whereas it has taken Deontay Wilder till his 30th fight (double the fights that Fury faced him in) to stop Firtha in the 4th round. Witch proves Fury had about the same amount of power as Wilder does in half the amount of fights. and Firtha's punch resistance will of gone down since he fought Fury, Witch proves Fury is a better fighter and every other ranked fighter is better than Wilder. Also Anthony Joshua would beat wilder in a fight between them.
     
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  15. PistolPat

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    Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!
     
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