Wilder did improve quite a bit .

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  1. Dubblechin

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    Fury didn't stop Chisora in their first fight, either. And he didn't knockout Chisora in either fight. Chisora's corner stopped the fight between rounds. Whyte knocked him cold.

    And Fury didn't stop Christian Hammer, either. His corner stopped it between rounds.

    And Deontay Wilder doesn't stand there with his gloves over his face and let people punch him in the head a thousand times like Dereck Chisora and Christian Hammer do.

    Go to bed.

    Tyson Fury isn't a puncher. If he was, he'd have stopped Otto Wallin the moment he got cut.

    Fury was exposed for all the world to see in that fight.

    When he needed to score a knockout, he could not. He just had to hope the cut man could control it and hope the ref understood what network they were fighting on. Lucky for him, both happened.

    Fury is an excellent boxer. But any nonsense about Fury stopping Wilder is just that ... nonsense.

    Quit digging yourself deeper into the hole you're in and call it a night.
     
  2. Dubblechin

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    What are you talking about? Wilder dropped Ortiz four times in two fights and knocked him out twice.

    Fury nearly bled out against Wallin and needed a good cutman, a ref who knew what side his bread was buttered on to let that fight continue.

    If Wallin was cut like Fury was early on, think that fight would've continued? Please.

    Otto Wallin is a nobody. Fury embarrassed himself.

    Fury isn't knocking out anybody.

    Go to bed.
     
  3. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Like i said i never said knock out i said stop learn to read.

    I said stopping wilder over 10-11 rounds from wilder taking to many shots .
    I never said knockout .

    Learn to read .

    Im not saying it's certain . im saying its possible that the same way fury stopped hammer and chisora. Fury could stop wilder.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

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    I'm not saying it ... but I am. I said it ... but I didn't.

    Go to bed.

    I'm embarrassed for you.
     
  5. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    You still dismissing the styles make fights logic . what otto did wilder cant do . you need to be a southpaw like otto Ortiz or usyk .
     
  6. Dance84

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    Stoppage. Not knockout
     
  7. Dance84

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    What are you talking about
     
  8. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    You make no sense
     
  9. destruction

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    Wilder's performance against Ortiz was extremely poor up until Ortiz decided to drop his hands and leave his chin in the air in the 7th.

    On the 5th time he left his chin in the air Wilder finally landed the bomb that ended it.

    You cant argue that is some new found technical skill on Wilder's part. It was a strategy of his to wait for Ortiz to open up and get sloppy. But no one goes into a fight happy to give away the first 6 rounds on the cards.
     
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  10. Dance84

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    It's worked for most of his career it could work again against fury
     
  11. Rumsfeld

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    You consistently make some excellent points regarding Wilder that I frequently agree with. But I think you're underestimating one aspect in your criticisms of Fury here, mainly that he has impeccable timing, and that when he chooses to sit on his punches a little more, he can pop. Not saying he's a monster puncher, but he's capable of being a very sharp puncher.

    A Fury win by KO/TKO would not surprise me in the least. Neither would a Wilder win on points. Neither would another draw, for that matter.
     
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    As soon as he comes up against a good boxer, who is able to concentrate for 36 minutes. He loses a UD. End of story.

    Thanks to matchmaking and the lack of talent he has faced, that just hasnt happened yet.

    His athletic explosiveness is also on the decline, and will be drop off once he reaches his 34/35 years old (if he is still fighting by then)
     
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  13. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    True
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    Actually, Ortiz's gloves were up and his chin was down when he got stretched.

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  15. Dubblechin

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    Fury is a sharp puncher. But he's not a knockout puncher.

    Fury has some TKO wins since his last knockout seven years ago (against Steve Cunningham) but they were all situations where the opponent or his corner wanted to call it quits between rounds ... with the exception of Joey Abell and Schwarz standing in the corner with their gloves up when it was called.

    All those voluntarily quitting scenarios aside, Fury hasn't knocked anyone out in seven years.

    And Wilder's corner isn't going to ever stop a fight between rounds because he can end the fight with one shot.

    And Wilder has fought on even when he has suffered a torn bicep and a broken hand in the same fight. If he was going to quit in a fight, he'd have done so in the fights where he's had to undergo surgery afterward to repair his injuries.

    There's no scenario there where Fury stops Wilder.

    To stop Wilder, you'd have to knock him out. That isn't happening against Fury. Fury doesn't knock people out. Even when his multi-million-dollar deal with ESPN fighting a hand-picked nobody depended on it, Fury couldn't score a knockout.
     
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