Wilder excuses already started, when was Wilder Prime exactly?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sure, something should have been dulled a bit during the years, but hardly unrecognisable from Fury 1 and Ortiz 2.
     
  2. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder's prime was around 2016-20. Maybe it would have lasted longer, but Fury beat what was left of his prime out of him in the rematch.

    His reflexes were noticeably much worse last night, which is one reason he was reduced to leaning back against the ropes to avoid Parker's ambushes. He previously was able to stay in the pocket and punch with his opponent even when under attack. But no more.

    It's not just physical deterioration, it's also mental. Which is a common problem for old fighters. Remember Erik Morales taking a knee and winking at his corner while getting counted out in Pac 3? Same thing. Guys are just done, even if (like Morales) they keep going.

    You can't fairly assess any 38-yo fighter without mentioning his age. Wilder had the same age & inactivity as Larry Holmes when he fought Mike Tyson. Think about that for a second. Wilder looks better than Larry did, but it's ancient to be fighting at top level. Mike McCallum was 39 when he fought Roy Jones and had nothing left. That's how it works.

    Wladimir still was world class in his late 30s, but it's unusual and even he was in obvious decline by the Jennings fight.

    I am surprised to see @lordlosh gloating so much. I'd have been extremely disappointed if Wilder had won and Joshua had lost. All we ever wanted was for these two guys to fight each other in a huge event. The buildup would have been immensely fun. And however you allocate the blame for it not happening, the point is that it's not happening and that's a damn shame.

    Joshua was the only fight I cared about for Wilder at this point, but he didn't get to it in time. Too bad. He's physically & mentally shot now, tho, and I wouldn't want to see it anymore.
     
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  3. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    What I hate about these excuse is there is no credit given to Parker. Parker won not because he had the perfect game plan but because Wilder was this, that, aged, etc. No ****ing credit at all to Parker.
     
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  4. The Cryptkeeper

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  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Exactly. He literally try to fight the same fight as he did against Helenius. This side-to-side movement is all Wilder and Malik has worked, and to throw his right hand when he is on the back foot.

    They saw Parker as easy pray, after Joyce KO him, and they know what Zhang did to Joyce, so they though there is no way i couldn't land my right hand on Parker, if slow a** Joyce managed to land it constantly.
    And this was Wilder gameplan.

    But Parker has an actual gameplan. Hell anyone with decent skills, even if it's not elite, if he follow a decent gameplan against Wilder, it's going to beat him like Parker did last night.

    But what you can expect from Wilder in terms of tactical/strategy points of view, when he had someone with zero experience and who was a diver > Malik Scott. Just a yes man in the corner.
     
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  6. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah, Stiverne and Parker are all the same. Same style, same height, same reach, same speed, same power, same movement, same upper body movement, same feints.

    Is this the prime Wilder you are talking about? Just watch the first 10 seconds and comes tell us we are deluded again:
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    Yeah buddy prime Wilder against one of the biggest bum :
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  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Klitschko was 39,7 when faced Fury. Big difference. Especially that Klitschko had 67 matches before facing Fury, and most of them on a lot higher level than Wilder opponents. Not to even mention Klitschko personal problem, etc, etc.
    And Klitschko was totally different fighter as well, and his skill were a lot more prone to declining due to age.

    I'm sure Wilder will come soon enough with his excuse list, just be ready.
     
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  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So, there's one rule, and one rule only, you need to follow here. Just one. To acknowledge that the age of Fury's and Wilder's opponents always are irrelevant and that Wilder was prime until he knocked Fury down for the third and fourth time and then became totally shot in the dressing room afterwards. That's the only one. Shouldn't be hard, really.
     
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  9. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I will tell you why i'm doing this. And btw AJ did not say a bad word against Wilder. He actually back him and say he believe Wilder will bounce back, and this happen to anyone.
    If the role were reverse i think we all know what Would have happen.

    Now here is where my problem was. You all was like Parker is some of the Wilder usual bums, and most of the prediction was disrespectful Wilder 1-4 round KO. Parker has no chance, blq, blq, blq, blq.

    And on the same time some trolls were claiming that Wallin will outbox AJ and judges will rob him out of the win ..... Boxing knowledge at it's finest ....
    Not once i heard Wilder age. It was that Parker ain't a good mover and Wilder just need 1 seconds, and all that b.c.

    Also Wilder, didn't help it either. He was super nice when they met with AJ, and the moment he goes back to USA he start trash talking s**** about AJ. How AJ is ducking him, and all that narrative from the s**** media that are now licking AJ *** full swing.

    And what pisses me the most is that Wilder claimed that he was not allowed to Unified the division, aka AJ and Parker was ducking him, and he wanted to punish them for that. Then he was start saying silly thing how he wants to KO Parker out of the ropes, and Parker needs a pillow. Then the b.c. narrative that he is blessed from the gods with a gift and curses, aka his right hand. Then the Dr. Sleep comes to his mind. On top of that he didn't stop to disrespect Parker, and keep talking about AJ, then claim that Usyk ducked him, and he wanted to rematch Fury as well.

    You know what that is ? A highly delusional man. He has always been like that, all hype, no skills.
    One trick pony that the first solid fighter he face, literally 12-0 him.
    He is always going to lose against any decently prepare tactically/strategy wise.

    Fury/Wilder fans with their toxicity brings that to themselves.
    You are a 100% decent poster, one of the good ones on here, there is no doubt about that, but your bias is now talking.

    There is no version in the entire universe of Wilder that beats that version of Parker. And hell this is a shell of a Parker.
    Parker was a serious fighter before becoming a pall with Fury and become his personal cheerleader.
    That guy was so fast, and he kills it with 1 idiotic bulk, prolly lifting weights like an *****. Then he bulked even more for Joyce, and we see how that ended.
     
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  10. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am not an HW expert, but I heard Wilder got the worst record for the HW champ in boxing history. I should probably ask in classic forum
     
  11. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Agree and we should totally ignore that Parker become a joke at one point, literally becoming Fury puppy and personal cheerleader.
    That he bulked like a complete ***** and lost a lot of his insane speed(as he was super fast at one point), and then even more bulking for Joyce. We should forget that he was floored by Chisora, Whyte twice, and Joyce literally pick him to pieces.

    But you see that was 100% best version of Parker EVER, and worst version of Wilder.

    And even if all of that is true, it's irrelevant, cause Wilder has his chance fighting Parker years ago, when they were both champions, but Wilder never wanted any part of any serious contender, so he instead fought Gerald Washington or so.
     
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  12. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly, modern day Primo Carnera.
     
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  13. It's Ovah

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    Huh? He's always leaned straight back to avoid shots. When the hell was he this cute inside fighter able to get off shots in the pocket?
     
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  14. roeknott

    roeknott 7.12.20 Full Member

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    Can't wait for the official post mortem results!!
     
  15. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He has never retreated backward like that into the ropes consistently. Sometimes yes but not for a whole fight. He spent the entire bout outside his punching range despite not being pressured all that heavily.

    Previously, he would change the angle just enough to throw his right hand. Or set up the approach to time that shot. You don’t have to be a classical counterpuncher to fight that way.

    But his decline in reflexes and flexibility are obvious. He can’t pull the trigger anymore. On top of that, I think he has become shy of getting hit. That’s probably less due to age and more due to Fury x2.
     
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