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   Neon Maniac Member Full Member

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   Mar 5, 2020

   Hammer almost dropped Ortiz in the second round he is clearly past it and Wilder most likely loses to him anytime before 2017 , so it’s Ortiz lack of ambition along with being banned in 2014 for failed tests that we will never know to what extent he was as a fighter because out boxing Wilder doesn’t prove anything .

    

   Neon Maniac, Apr 11, 2020

   Neon Maniac, Apr 11, 2020

   #16
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   Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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   Agreed! Almost as ridiculous as Fury fans hyping Wilder as being elite as well.

    

   Braindamage, Apr 11, 2020

   Braindamage, Apr 11, 2020

   #17

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