Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Scissors, Jan 10, 2019.
Wilder and Fury will be 50/50. Both men are fighting men.
The moves towards AJ fighting Miller in April make me wonder if that rumour from a couple of months ago or so is true, that terms for AJ vs Wilder are agreed. This being known within the boxing world would also explain Ben Davison saying that he thinks AJ and Wilder should fight next.
If so AJ vs Miller in NYC builds US interest whilst providing DAZN with a high profile HW fight, perhaps to soften the blow when AJ Wilder appears on Showtime PPV... Breazeale meanwhile gives Wilder a chance to rinse memories of his being outboxed by Fury.
But as you say, I thought the first one wouldn't materialise so we could still get the rematch.
There was no knockout in the first fight.
He will be slower and therefore much easier for Fury to handle.
They only time Wilder found his range was when Fury made a mistake. He will be furious with himself and I cannot see him letting it happen again.
Daily reminder that Fury barely landed a meaningful punch the first half the fight.
Wilder only started getting tagged when he went looking for a knockdown/out, which he got, twice. Sticking your tongue out and waving to the crowd at the end of the round after doing very little doesn't constitute a schooling in most serious boxing fans minds. Only ones swayed by the biased commentary.
He was unconscious,that means you have been knocked out.
Meaning of the word unconscious - not awake and aware of and responding to one's environment.
"the boy was beaten unconscious"
synonyms: knocked out, insensible, senseless, insentient, insensate, passed out, comatose, in a coma, inert
Besides that Wilder has fought at a higher weight before and I think he became vegan and lost most of his size. If he bulks up once again, it will be nothing new. He'll be just as powerful and quick as he was earlier in his career.
He found his range many times during the fight, which is why Fury's nose happened to get busted before he got knocked down the first time and knocked out the second time.
Like I said there hasn't been any opponent that hasn't been knocked down and knocked out against Wilder.
The only hope Fury has is if Jesus pulls out another miracle and picks him back up from the canvas and another lenient ref who is willing to wait half a round for him to recover.
Maybe Wilder took 11 rounds to work out Fury.
Now he has felt the feather fists, seen the glass chin and a way through the Fury defence - he may just splat him early in the rematch.
Strange how Fury has gone from the man it's impossible to hit to the man it's impossible to keep down.
He's a very good and very effective heavyweight with two major flaws; at elite level he really doesn't have any serious power, and his output is far too low. Dominant heavyweights can paste opponents with jabs round after round. Fury switches stance, jerks his head about, puts his hands out wide or above his head, sticks his tongue out, laughs, tosses light shots into thin air, talks to his opponent, rolls his eyes and lands about six punches. Then he walks back to his corner and some people clearly being affected by the commentary tell everyone they've just witnessed a masterclass by one of the greatest heavyweights ever.
If they have a rematch he'll blatantly employ exactly the same tactics with the possible exception of being even more cautious on the basis that he knows Wilder can land and do him damage. That in turn leads to the risk of him not getting rounds he probably should get on the basis that he lands so little.
Your bitterness is embarrassing.
I'm not bitter about it. Just saying what I think is true. As you can see in this thread quite a few agree with me.
Strange how some can't seem to understand that others don't really find a light-hitting, low output guy like Fury to be as brilliant as they do.
It was a Wilder vs Fury thread and you somehow managed to shoehorn percentage splits with AJ. Great work.
Imagine seeing a Fury Wilder rematch not as something worth looking forward to for the actual fighting, but to what strength every party involved will carry forward in the contract negotiations for fights that are literally years away. I can't ever, ever recall talking about a past great fight with another person in the real world and mentioning the amount of money someone made for more than about 5 seconds, and then it's about outlier fighters like Mayweather or Tyson in their pomp.
It's becoming like a cancer in boxing discussions, and British fans are the worst for it. Every fighter and matchup getting judged before they have even fought on the basis of speculated financial returns which are completely irrelevant to 99.99% of the posters here.
To be fair Wilder has had a world title for four years, Joshua for two and a half. Why they haven't fought yet is a major point of discussion, and finances are an inevitable part of that.
Honestly mate, it’s doing my nut in. I don’t give a fighters finances a second thought, that’s their business. I honestly think the likes of Nick and co would be seriously devastated if AJ didn’t get more than 60% of any split. I find it weird.
the latter stages being the last two minutes of the fight where Fury made an error and Wilder got lucky enough to capitalise on it.
were his punches any different really though? He didn't knock Fury out cold either, otherwise Fury wouldn't have got up, unless you are going with the woken by god theory. Personally I think it looked worse than it was, sure he was hurt bad but he wasn't knocked out stone cold, there is no way he would have come back like that otherwise then celebrated after the fight as if nothing happened. I'm not saying Wilder couldn't knock Fury out cold but it didn't happen this fight imo.
I think that's pretty easy to believe when Wilder only got a total of two chances to end Fury, and he failed both times, he was even getting beaten up after putting Fury down those times.
Its not wishful when in the first fight Fury pretty much won.
That wasnt really based on Wilder's boxing IQ though, its just the fact he went for broke a couple of times when a rusty Fury made a mistake. If he was real smart he wouldn't have been largely outclassed. His power did save him though and he deserves credit for the success he did have. I just think a sharpened Fury holds all the cards in this one. If wilder couldn't finish the job then, I don't think he ever will.
going by your logic on the last fight Fury got knocked out cold, but Wilder still didn't win did he? he needs more than a big punch and power, and its a bit late in the day to start developing new tools. Fury has the ability to adapt and change, does Wilder?
this all of course depends on Fury maintaining this form he is in.
Very very pleased to see Fury hasn’t blown up over Christmas.
Looking forward to the rematch