Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Scissors, Jan 10, 2019.
I don't think Wilder will take this fight
This would be by far and away Wilder's biggest ever fight. Wilder's been wanting a huge PPV fight his entire life and the first fight's conclusion means that the rematch is huge, we're talking Las Vegas style huge.
Wilder has a shot at winning, make no mistake. If he lands on Fury, anything can happen.
Have you wiped out the first knock down out of your memory? Is this what you have to do to change the narrative to fit into this notion that Fury won and delivered some kind of masterclass schooling?
I do always wonder in what situation or what world, where it can be considered schooling someone or win convincingly after getting knocked down twice and nearly dying on your back.
Maybe you can answer that, because personally that idea just seems very ******ed.
Again changing the narrative to exaggerate and boost Fury.
It's not an opinion or or belief. Fury was knocked out. It's not something which can be disputed. Fury said it himself that he was unconscious and he suddenly woke back up and didn't know how and didn't even remember what happened, or was he lying?
Well had the referee not given him an additional 11 seconds to recover he may well not have survived the 12 round
Based on what? The fight was called a draw,. You can say FuryWON because he threw 1-2 more punches per round, and I can say Wilder won because he knocked Fury out and the ref deviated from the rules and gave Fury extra time to recover.
I say the champion who knocked down the challenger and were it not for a controversial referee, would have had a TKO or KO, has a stronger argument than a challenging who was on his bike most of the fight, slipping and dodging punches and most of the time trying to spoil and be negative.
You're an entitled to have that opinion, but I don't see how Fury's chin manages to withstand Wilder's power with more weight behind his body along with the fact that Wilder has never failed to either knock down or knock out his opponent.. You call it rustiness, so can we say that Wilder may have overtrained, or the fact he broke his arm in training had an impact? Is Wilder entitled to excuses that you've afforded Fury?
Like I said it's not my opinion or what I think or my belief. It's a fact, fury was knocked out. If a person loses consciousnesses, after receiving a blunt force to the brain, what is it?
And please don't tell me, that you think Fury was just biding his time waiting to recover, when he has stated on record he was unconscious and suddenly woke up and doesn't know how he got up.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Nail on head.
The negative tactics he employed did not convince me and certainly the judges, that he done anything worthy of note to win the fight at all. Fury's tactics and what he does in the ring is all bells and whistles.
Had he wobbled Wilder and made Wilder hit thin air all through the fight and he himself never hurt, then you can say he schooled Wilder and won the fight.
The fact that Wilder was landing nice body shots,landing clean jabs of his own, add in the devastating knock downs, meanwhile without the partisan crowd and biased commentary, anyone would say there was nothing in most of the rounds, then you can't really say there is a strong argument that Fury won or do anythiing special besides land a few nice eye catching pitta patta flurries with oohhs and ahhs from the crowd hyping it up even further.
No I have not wiped out the first knock down but I don't think it showed anything significant in terms of Wider finding range etc. Fury just got careless and Wilder pounced. Credit to him for capitalising but after that he was back to getting out boxed.
I think it's still possible to win a boxing match convincingly despite being knocked down. what is the point of boxing otherwise, just to get knock downs, should you win a fight based on that? Personally though I don't have a massive problem with the draw, although I think Fury won, because in all fairness Wilder did get a decent KD in that last round. but this doesn't change the fact that I think Fury wins if they fight again. As said, Fury can adjust.
I think it can be disputed easily that he wasn't out cold, but that's just my opinion I guess. To me he looked shocked but was very much assessing the state he was in, then he got up. If you are out cold you don't get up. Fury goes with the la la land story because its a more romantic notion. I'm guessing he knew he wasn't as hurt as it seemed.
the ref gave a ten count, I cant see what the argument is there? Was it exactly 10 seconds? does it need to be exactly ten seconds, is there no human element at play?
I guess that's down to opinion but when the challenger wins all the rounds but two, at what point do you say the champ lost? Fury controlled the fight for me, but the two slip ups, but even then it was back to business. Wilder looked the beaten man to me by the end. Disheartened and beaten up. He though he was in for an easy night of destruction but got hustled.
I never been a big fan of Fury's boxing to be honest but the funny thing about this fight is I didn't think he spoiled much at all, he made it an exciting fight and was more aggressive than I'd ever seen him, he was actually throwing a lot of leather. I'd say he was more of a boring spoiler against Wlad?
well I cant say I'd rule out Wilder scoring the KO, he has shown how dangerous he is and has the ability to lay anyone out. I don't get how this extra weight is going to help though, there are so many factors that will effect him, he will probably gas even quicker than he did in the first fight and will possibly be slower. To think Wilder adding weight is the solution to his stylistic problems against Fury is wishful thinking to me if anything.
You can question Fury's chin but not his powers of recovery. If in trouble you can bet he will do the same again, find a way to get back into the fight. The proof is on Fury's side. He is the one to have survived Wilder's so called KO, Wilder has not actually KOed Fury yet has he, he has to prove he can finish the man. You can use the long count excuse but the fact is Fury got up, if the punch was that good he wouldn't have even tried to get up, thus would have been counted out with no controversy.
Wilder is entitled to his reasons as to why he might have under performed but I ignored them after the 50th excuse he came out with. He undermined himself there and should have just kept quiet. All that proved is that he felt the needed to make these excuses because he was out performed and embarrassed by a man who a year previously was laid up in bed because he was too obese to get out of it.
Again I don't think he was out cold, maybe that's just my crazy idea on it. Fury tells a lot of stories, the raising from the dead one is a nice addition.
Do you not understand the rules of boxing? He evaded punches and landed punches, he landed more shots than his opponent and he was controlling the fight. Aside from the two knockdowns there is only an argument for round 3.
Do you not understand the principles of bias? No of course you don't.
He hit thin air, gloves or elbows for the first half of the fight, while jogging back to the corner at the end of the rounds waving to the crowd. Second half, yeah he did pull ahead but then he got dropped, twice essentially negating it. Just because the media and commentators spin a certain narrative, doesn't mean I automatically take it as gospel.
So let me get this right, when Wilder lands, it's because Fury got careless? And when Fury lands, it's because he's great at boxing?
How can he be assessing the situation when he is unconscious and his eyes have rolled to the back of his head and doesn't remember a thing?
There's nothing romantic out being unconscious?
Fighters will always do their best to play down any idea that they were hurt or damaged. They brush off being knocked down or seriously wobbled and lie that they were not really hurt. But here you suggesting Fury wanted to make out he was hurt, when he looked hurt, and make out that he was unconscious, when he was unconcious, all for the idea of selling a romantic story?
Fury stated: “How I got back up, I really don’t know.
“I was sound asleep on the floor. All of a sudden, I opened my eyes and I jumped up.''
But of course you know better, because you were inside Fury's body and could really tell he wasn't really hurt, he was just playing dead for giggles.
The ref gave a ten count and then when Fury eventually rose to his feet, then decided to give him an additional 10 seconds to clear his head, when he should have resumed the action straight away and most likely if that had been the case Wilder may well have finished him off.
He did not win all the rounds unless you don't have any idea how to score rounds. They were very hard rounds to call and I'd say Fury 'edged'' around 5 rounds
When he was countering I agree he was aggressive however generally he was on the back foot slipping and sliding. In the latter rounds there was more holding and spoiling
I suggest you go and watch Wilder's earlier fights when he is bulked up and shown no signs of gassing. He's not AJ.
The weight will help bridge the gap to stop Fury from leaning on him, holding when both fighters are tied up.It will also mean his punches will carry more weight and cause far more damage if and when he lands, meaning Fury will be less likely to recover.
Sure he proved he could recovery when he was getting hit by Wilder when he came in at effectively cruiserweight. But he never proved he could evade his punches through the whole 12 rounds. No one has.
So I have little faith that Fury has the ability to not walk into another big shot, but this time with 25 additional pounds of muscle behind it
Or maybe he felt the need to mention his camp, as to why he didn't finish Fury off within the distance and why it took him until the later rounds to hurt him significantly.
I'd hardly say it was embarrassing since he came out of the fight unscathed and far less brain damage.
I know in a real fight, sparring or a boxing match, I'd rather be the fighter who doesn't get hurt, than be the guy who is crawling off the canvas twice. Wouldn't you?
It's not really story when you only have to observe to see he was out cold asleep before waking back up.
The man himself has told you he was out cold yet somehow in your make believe world he was just assessing the situation. Smh
But when Fury says he believes he won the fight and was robbed that's not a romantic story is it? You believe his words then!
Firstly, Learn to quote properly and secondly there is no need fo the petty little insults, because it makes you come across as the little man in your moms basement.
If you are determined to go down the insult route because you don't like to hear the reality of what unfolded, then it's not a problem at all, old man.
I assure you my apartment and living conditions is a whole lot more comfortable and nicer than whatever council supported dump you reside in
As for your assertion that fury was composing himself, why would fury say he was asleep and didn't remember? We're meant to be some jumped up deluded fanboy knows better on what state he was in than the man who was knocked down and out?
The desperation for you fury fanboys to bend and twist reality to fit into your fairy tale narrative is just insulting anyone intelligent.
He was out cold. The ref was talking to him when he bent over on the floor, something which refs don't usually do and that's what helped bring him back to his senses.
As for Stiverne he knocked him down in both fights, just didn't knock him out in the first.
There was no knockdown in the first fight. They both fell over at the end of the 2nd but it was not ruled a knockdown and was after the bell anyway.
Thing is though, Fury was, by fannying around, showing defensive slips, counters etc actually doing much more than Wilder and so has to be awarded the round.
The fact you don't like Fury's style doesn't add to the number of effective shots landed by Wilder.....
Or maybe it's all the media's fault for brainwashing eeeveryoneeeee!
He was doing a bit more, but not a lot more. If you land one or two more punches than your opponent you leave yourself open to losing rounds.
Fury looks to sneak rounds rather than dominate them. He had 24 rounds against Klitschko and Wilder combined and there were loads where very little actually happened.
Wasn’t knocked down in the first fight.
It’s funny how defensive you get lol. ‘Old man’