Wilder gameplan for rematch?

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  1. UFC2020

    UFC2020 Active Member Full Member

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    A lighter 210 lb Wilder is best. Will enable him to have a higher gas tank
     
  2. bruce_keyes

    bruce_keyes Well-Known Member Full Member

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    exactly, he just needs to make sure it's a thin layer of mud, if its thick, it can get quite heavy and tire out his legs.
     
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  3. gold

    gold Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He just needs to eat a few times in Mexico and survive twelve rounds and the judges will take care of the rest. Easy.
     
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  4. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    Well fight 1 - corrupt judges
    Fight 2 - corrupt ref + judges (unfortunately even corrupt judges couldn't give wilder rounds with the beatdown he was taking

    I think for fight 3 they will have to set fury up for the American special - corrupt judges,referee, wilder doped to the gill, fury forced to wear pillow gloves, wilder decides on ring size, wilder is allowed to low blow and headbutt. And then if fury still wins they spike his drug test. I'd say this is what wilders team is working on for the reply.
     
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  5. FuMaster

    FuMaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not wear a masquerade costume. Hide all towels. He would have won otherwise.
     
  6. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    First thing is Wilder needs to cut that 18.5 lbs he added for the 2nd fight. Legs and fatigue set in waaaay too early. Second thing, Wilder needs to disguise his straight right hand better. This is the equalizer for Fury. He has obviously studied when Wilder throws that right hand. Wilder never throws his right hand without throwing his left jab first. By doing that, Wilder is telegraphing his right hand every time, which gives Fury a chance to roll that right hand as he did about 3 times in that 2nd fight. Wilder needs do two things to disguise his right hand better. Throw his left jab, then feint the right hand, then step in and shoot the right straight hand. Another way is to double up on his jab, then shoot the straight right hand. It's simple for Wilder. He don't need to go learn a whole bunch of stuff. Add Feints, double up on his left jab and use his footwork to step in closer to land those big straight right hands. Fury will never expect Wilder to do that. He's set believing the jab will come followed by the straight right hand. If Wilder implement those two things, it's good night Fury! He will never see it coming.
     
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  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    Glue your gloves to your chin, tucked chin. Learn to pivot and punch when Fury leans on the inside. Learn how Fury slips the right hand so you know where to punch and learn to feint to get him in that position. Learn to throw short hooks for when Fury tries to smother. Get off your flat feet when not punching. Learn to step at angles to defend.
    Just a couple of the above suggestions would change the dynamics of the fight. It’s perfectly doable, but seeing it’s wilder is where the doubt creeps in. He hasn’t shown the ability to learn advanced techniques.
     
  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think his weight it irrelevant in terms of the outcome. That was his mistake last time, thinking he could just come in heavier and it would change something. He got beaten when light vs 50% Fury, he got beaten worse heavier by a 100% Fury. The deciding factor wasn't his weight but how good Fury was.

    If he's to have any hope 3rd time round, he needs to forget about hitting a certain weight and more about the things he's ignored most of his career, improving his skills as a boxer. While obviously he can't make drastic changes, he needs to at least find another way of throwing the right hand, because Fury took that completely away last time by forcing him back and he needs a way to prevent being clinched otherwise he get worn down again in the clinches.
     
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  9. Tabby73

    Tabby73 New Member Full Member

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    He could start by taking the sport seriously and stop posing as some lame imposture for black power
     
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  10. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Fury is going to be in his chest. He needs to practice short range fighting. Get sparring partners who get up in his face. He's too used to bombing guys out from a distance. I don't at all think the weight was a detriment. It had nothing to do with the loss. In the first fight, Fury didn't push him. Nothing suggests he would have coped with it better with less weight. It doesn't make sense that he would.
     
  11. Tabby73

    Tabby73 New Member Full Member

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    Fury beat him up close mid range and at distance so nothing he can do just fade away and retire I don’t think it’s good for his mental health
     
  12. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This is untrue. He will tired more quickly by Fury leaning tactics and shots.
     
  13. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hes no chance of improving nearly enough to be competetive at this stage of his career against fury if last weekend was anything to go by....and with the time he has to prepare considering he,ll be needing time to recover etc. The weights about the only chance he has. And its pretty slim. That or fury doesnt come in the ring the same...which is probably his best chance.

    He needs to be able to not be overpowered by fury...even learning new moves etc....not going to help him if the opponents...too big and strong for him. He,d need to turn into muhammad ali in 8 weeks.
     
  14. Pompey Junglist

    Pompey Junglist Active Member Full Member

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    True, but what really struck me watching the fight live was just how amateurish and clueless Wilder's corner was. They literally gave him nothing. His trainer was just staring at him as if to say "why haven't you knocked him out yet?" They were totally clueless.
     
  15. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    If he comes in light, he will just get manhandled more on the inside and I don't think it will make enough difference in terms of mobility as his footwork is so poor which is the issue along with his defence which relies on reacting to an attack and creating distance, which allowed Fury to move him onto his right hand all night by using the jab and feints.

    If he comes in heavy it doesn't benefit him in terms of stamina and it doesn't benefit him in terms of over powering Fury as he will always be the smaller, lighter, weaker man. The weights didn't work in either fight before and had no effect on the result I don't see why it would make a difference a third time.

    Him not being overpowered can't be done by anything he does regarding his weight unless he suddenly shows up a lean 270lbs with 28 inch quads, which lets be honest with all the PED's in the world isn't happening in 4 months.

    Only way he can't be mauled and over powered on the inside is to prevent the clinch in the first place so Fury can't lean on him. That's can be quite easily done, he just needs to learn how to turn side on, use the shoulder to block and create space and the elbow to prevent the clinch by using it to lever Fury off him, like Mayweather does to opponents who try and swarm him. That isn't a skill that takes years to master, you just need to drill it in to move into that position when pressed in training camp.
     
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