Wilder has to fight Whyte in order to get world title shot against Joshua

Maybe you should read it again genius. Pay attention to the syntax this time.

 

From a fan's point of view I'd like Wilder to fight Whyte just to give us another common opponent to measure the two champs against. At the moment it's almost a given that AJ would blow Windmills out the water, but if Wilder performs better against Whyte then the fight suddenly becomes a whole lot more interesting.

Does the Whyte fight need to happen? No, of course not. But for the sake of raising the excitement levels and anticipation factor I'd like to see it. Haye didn't fight anyone worth a damn before the Klitschko fight, and while it still made great money the excitement that could have been generated from the collision of two well-matched opponents just wasn't there.

I really don't see what's the problem with a Wilder Whyte fight anyway. If Wilder's such a badass he'll blow Whyte out of the water and make a cool couple million plus a tangible buzz that he can bring to the negotiating table to wrangle a greater percentage of the purse for himself and his team. The fight leaves plenty of time for a Summer showdown with Joshua next year.

 

Fact is Wilder wants a $25 million payday without doing the WORK for it. He's asking for handouts.

 

Absolute nonsense! Before you ask no im not a Wilder fan or an AJ fan for that matter.

Everybody who follows AJ knows the name wilder. Granted not all them have seen him fight but they know his name and know he knocks people out. Just go look on social media and all the 'casuals' know who he is. Sky can sell ice to Eskimos so they would have no trouble making this fight the biggest in UK history. Hearn is just a greedy twat. If Whyte was to beat wilder then Hearns cut is way bigger than the cut he gets for the Wilder fight.

Stop letting sky and Hearn brainwash you

 

Think again. Unless Wilder is prepared to accept his B side and Joshua gets a significant larger slice of the pie.

Wilder doesn't seem to understand that looking impressive vs Whyte would only help his negotiating position.

 

AJ is going to make 20m ($25m) in his next fight. Wilder has rarely made over $1m for a fight.

Wilder will ask for a huge split due to his ego. Realistically he would be very lucky to get an 80/20 split.

If he fights Whyte and beats him impressively, he has much more standing in negotiations.

Nothing wrong with Hearn asking Wilder to do this. If Wilder wants to fight AJ so bad and get better terms, why not make Team Joshua an offer??

 

No Wilder v Whyte is promotion 101.

You are making a fight where it doesn't matter who wins as both would then be in a position to face Joshua. That's what you call good matchmaking.

Whyte did enough in the first AJ fight to suggest he could fight AJ again but needs a big win to get him in that position. Beating Wilder for the belt would do that.

Wilder needs to do something impressive so if he could take out Whyte in impressive manor in London once again it would set up a huge demand for Joshua v Wilder.

Its nothing to do with Hearn trying to get a bigger cut its just good matchmaking.

 

Exactly. The problem is team Wilder cant offer terms as the money isn't there. The fight isn't big enough to generate the revenue in the US.

The fight simply only happens on AJ's terms. The best thing Wilder could do is improve his position by taking out Whyte in the UK.

The reality is Hearn see's AJ v Wilder as a big summer fight. This fight wouldn't be happening early next year. However Wilder is so scared of losing the biggest payday he will ever get he wont fight Whyte first.

 

Whyte got beat up against AJ what fight were you watching? He pretty much got smashed around the ring for 7 rounds! Has he improved since then? No. Has AJ?

Like i said you dont need a Whyte fight to build the Wilder one in the UK.

 

You're actually over estimating Wilder value lol. His last fight the combined purses were $1.15 mill, Joshua's next fight was worth a combined purse of $25 million. So if we round up Wilder's share by comparing these figures then the fight should be 95/5 split lol.

To put into perspective how little Wilder brings to the table. Tony Bellew made almost 2.5 times as much in his last fight with Haye as Wilder's career highest purse. Parker made more against Hughie Fury a fight that had very little interest than most of Wilders purses possible more than his highest purse depending upon exchange rates at the time, fact is Wilder brings almost no value to the fight yet is wanting to be paid royally for his belt.

Wilder will of course get more money than the 5% split because it being a unification fight does add some value. Maybe it will do as well as Joshua/Wlad in their unification fight, maybe a bit more because there is some US interest but probably not a lot as neither are big names in the US. So maybe we'll see a $35 mill combined purse for this fight. A 70/30 split would see Joshua take home about $25mill and Wilder $10mill which I think is more than generous on Joshua and Hearn's behalf.

But you can see why Hearn wants to build the fight. It could be far bigger. If Wilder had fought and beaten Ortiz it would of created more interest from the US and people would see Wilder as a genuine threat and that would of increased revenue.

When you think for a unification fight Joshua may only make 25% more than usual, the fight only generate a little more cash than a run of the mill Joshua fight while paying an opponent over 6 times what they have earned ever before it seems like a lot of work for little gain.

 

Just to clarify - I wrote "No-one is going to not watch the fight or not be interested in it because Wilder hasn't beaten Whyte."

Meaning that no-one is going to say "I'm not watching the fight because Wilder hasn't beaten Whyte yet".

I think you may have mis-read what wrote (meant to convey). I agree with you 100% ... a fight between two unbeaten champions for 3 belts, is already a big fight to most people. It doesn't really need the Whyte component to get people interested in it.

 

I agree he doesn't have to face Whyte. But he does need to build interest in the fight. That's why he wanted to fight Ortiz that fight would of changed a lot if he had one. People would of given Wilder a shot to pull of an upset unlike now and that would of generated more revenue than him ever beating Whyte who is over rated.

But I honestly think it's a easy option for Wilder. He gets a handsome payday vs Whyte in a fight I believe he would win and could look good doing so and he guarantees Joshua is next. Only reason I can think of him not taking it is he doesn't want terms to be dictated to him and he knows the fight would be in the UK and doesn't want to risk a dodgy decision or some other controversy.

 

Fight Whyte for his biggest ever purse then fight AJ

Simple

 

Imagine,Wilder v Whyte,a genuine good Heavyweight scrap,both entertaining in and out of the rings,and there is a legitimate Title on the line,whatever way we get a unification,Whyte wins,which i doubt,Him and Joshua,Wembley in the summer.Wilder wins,which i prefer and expect,him and Joshua at Wembley.It would be amazing and huge in the UK,there is not a chance in hell this will go to points,so the judges will be irrelevant.I hope this happens,whatever Anyone says,Wilder's personality actually draws more intrest,as it make more people want to tune in to see him get knocked out.I think a 70/30 or if you absolutely have to ,65/35 is fair enough.

 

But that's the thing if Whyte beat Wilder, AJ v Whyte 2 suddenly becomes huge.

You could argue you don't need Whyte v Wilder because of AJ. The popularity of a AJ v Wilder fight made right now has nothing to do with Wilder. It's all AJ and the purses would reflect that.

How can you not see that its in Wilder's best interests to dispatch of Whyte (which he would be very well paid) and then fight AJ for a mega payday. Its a no lose situation for Wilder unless he doesn't believe he can do the business vs Whyte.