Wilder-Helenius "Dive?"

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ertwin, Oct 15, 2022.

  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jun 4, 2014
    So you didn't want to answer my question, cause yo got to say that Malik Scott took a dive, thanks!
  2. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Richard IV Full Member

    Nov 4, 2017
    Interesting how Helenius was barely affected by numerous clean shots from Kownacki, but was out cold from a short punch with poor leverage from Wilder. Sure Kownacki isn't the strongest puncher, but he did knock out some people, including Szpilka faster then Wilder did.

    If Wilder is such an incredible puncher, why couldn't he knock Duhaupas out like Povetkin did? He hit him many times.

    I think Helenius was paid to take a dive.
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  3. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

    Nov 5, 2017
    @lordlush and the arbitrary martial arts mentions serve a comedic purpose, though. 'Just trust me bros, I do muay Thai.' Man, nobody cares about that lame ****. :lol:
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  4. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 6, 2017
    Because I asked YOU a question first and you responded with a question. That's rude and hypocritical. I do not feel obligated to answer questions from someone who won't even do the same courtesy.
  5. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jan 1, 2011
    Helenius’ inability to describe how he’d potentially win, in the pre-fight interview, made me suspicious, but I do think the punch from Wilder was hard and heavy.
  6. Murderers' Row

    Murderers' Row Boxing Addict Full Member

    Apr 23, 2020

    Does that sound like a wee slap to you?
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  7. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Translation: I was wrong, had not seen this angle, and as opposed to saying “yeah I see it, now”, I’m going to hang on to a clearly flawed premise out of stubborn pride.
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  8. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 13, 2012
    Jesus, there are some stupid people on this forum.
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2022
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  9. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jun 4, 2014
    I didn't mean to disrespect you in any means. But that was part of the answer really.
    You asked why would he do it, then i answered with an question, why would Malik do it ?
    It's obvious why, didn't it ? Long term friends, long term sparring partners. They may have though they have not much chance to begin with it and to take the easy money ? Could be for million reason to be fair.
    And could the KO being legit, yeah 100% as well. I'm not claiming 100% that this was staged. No one can be sure for sure, but it's sus, especially with Wilder history.
  10. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

    Aug 6, 2005
    Not a dive

    Stop arguing physics when you can’t even explain what we all saw happen.

    Robert caught with a shot he didn’t see coming. Rocked his head and then hit the back of his head on the canvas.

    clear ko
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  11. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Richard IV Full Member

    Nov 4, 2017
    LOL That's a lot of affection, those long emotional hugs. Were Wilder and Helenius on the down low?
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  12. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jul 7, 2018
    Stevern went 12 with him in the first fight.
    Shpilka took his shots for 10 rounds until he got tired.
    Duhaupas took his shots and was stopped on his feet.
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  13. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

    Jul 12, 2012
    Well if the KO is genuine and there is only one person who can definitively say it was or was not, that being Helenius, then either Mr Robert Gabriel Helenius needs to hang up his gloves as his punch resistance is gone totally, or every heavyweight title holder needs to give up the belts and give them to Wilder, if Deontay is able to generate that power from that limited leverage of a punch, to KO a fit 250 pound behemoth in first round, then no ones chin is safe or face as in the case of Helenius.

    If the champs don't heed this advice Mr Wilder will be visiting you post fight with a camera crew to give lots of hugs, talk how much he loves ya, and then get tearfully emotional about beating you..
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  14. Oneirokritis

    Oneirokritis The Scourge of Stupid Idiots. Full Member

    Dec 18, 2015
    If Helenius did take a dive, at least it wasn't anywhere nearly as egregious as Scuba Scott's dive against Wilder. You can even see Scuba shoot Wilder a sideways glance as if to say "Hey man, is the referee buying any of this?" :lol:

  15. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Richard IV Full Member

    Nov 4, 2017
    Yes. And you are clearly one of them, in fact you are the epitome of a stupid poster.
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