Wilder-Helenius "Dive?"

What is it you suspect exactly? That all his T/KO victories were dives? Or he alone uses PEDs, because using PEDs means you punch harder than everyone else?

 

Could be but fighters who take dives generally do the bare minimum.

 

Some were, the Scott fight and tonight's fight. Duhaupas took Wilder's best shots and didn't go down, yet he was KOed cold by a smaller man in Povetkin.

Deontay Wilder has always reminded me of the heavyweight in the movie The Harder They Fall.

 

You guys wanna see a real dive, here you go! Dude was scared shitless of Marquez.

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Watch it back, he cracks Helenius clean on the chin. Would be a heck of a pair of actors to fake that.

 

his right arm is in external rotation kirk, you cannot generate power in a straight shot with your arm in that position. You also risk injury with a punch like this.
It was a slap with poor technique.

I dont mind if people believe this was real but i cant accept that it was. If it hit him in the temple it would have been at least some bit believable

 

Scott is a fair case for scrutiny, I don't buy that tonight was anything less than an authentic KO.

Doesn't always work like that, lots of variables.

 

Or suspect noses!

 

I also think the Fraudly and Lyakovich fights were dodgy. Lyakovich has that theatrical twitching.

If you watch the Fraudly replays from certain angles, you can see the that he screams before Wilder hits him, as if he is shocked that Wilder is coming at him for real. After one good punch, Wilder does his famous windmill where he hits nothing with a whole bunch of punches. Then the fight is over.

I think a lot of Wilder's fights are suspect.

I don't know if this one is or not, as I have not watched it. I am just saying that there is a past.

Note the scream at 1:35 when Audley realizes he is about to be hit for real.

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Helenius had a fencing response upon the KO. That's not what a dive looks like.

The shot itself was hellatious. Short, flush, opponent didn't see it, opponent lunged into it. That last point is significant. Helenius was leaned over and did not have the support of his legs or neck the way he normally would, plus he's never been a granite chinned guy.

 

again im looking at the bio mechanics of what is going on.
Even if wilder was to throw a slap you cant generate much power with your arm in near full external rotation. This is the last position you want your arm in to throw a straight punch like that.
Even if Helenius jaw is pure glass (which it is) thats not knocking anyone out, Charlie Z ate bigger punches that this and was fine.

 

I wish everyone calling it a dive got punched in the face by wilder

 

And if it was an act, it was a dangerous one. Imagine planning a scenario where Wilder hits you clean on your weak chin then you pretend to go down.