Wilder-Helenius "Dive?"

Corruption in the noble sport of Boxing? I don’t believe it.

 

Don't know if OP is trolling but that was no dive. He got caught rushing in and literally knocked himself out. One angle shows Helenius' head snap back hard.

 

True.

 

You guys are wrong, it was not A dive, Goosen already explained the true reason: he said "everyone that fights Deontay will get hit eventually by his right hand, and that will knock him down or else out." It's too late for that dive stuff, there's proof already from the goose.

Matter of fact EVERY SINGLE person who has been hit by Deontay right hand has been SEVERELY hurt, including the Tyson fury fights.

Plus Lennox double checked the box to prove it wasn't a dive, which are clowns who only think it was a dive btw. He said "helenius did some of the work for him (Deontay) he leaned into the punch."

Also If those 2 prestigious boxing minds combined can assure that, imagine this: teddy atlas said "a quickest way to a target is a straight line, also 'punchers are born not made,' and as well "it's the punch you don't see coming that's the one that takes ya out."

SO given the authority and magnificence of these a) real veteran trainer b) former hw championship of the world c) podcast host and another veteran trainer...

The analogy that a fight that was fixed is not the case. 3 opinions to one. Give up already and dump your thermos of **** down the toilet that you used during the ppv because you didn't want to miss a beat in your basement.

 

the head bouncing of the canvas would not impact my belief that it would not be possible to throw a punch with power from that starting position with your arm in external rotation.
We havn't seen that camera angle yet either.

 

A lot of Wilder opponents get over confident, carried away by out boxing him. Hellanious too was no different where he got over confident and reckless after pushing Wilder back, along the ropes but Wilder was actually laying out a trap and setting him up for the right hand.

The trilogy with Fury could only have done Wilder a world of good, he is not going to face a boxer like the caliber of Fury again. He now knows opponents are going to come charging at him and trying to push him back therefore he has to work on finding a way to land the right hand of the backfoot.

Like Lennox Lewis said on PBC for most fighters who are not Tyson Fury, "don't follow a puncher around"

 

It was a very unusual knockout.

I've watched it several times and I don't get it. It's not as bad as the Malik Scott one but idk, maybe Helenius has a chin made of tracing paper.

 

What exactly does that mean?

What professional boxer takes fights that aren’t for money?

Boxing is full of examples of guys who have sparred together fighting. It’s a profession. Heck, there are stablemates who have fought who were great friends.

It’s a business, a career, a way to pay bills … same as your job or mine.

Do you work for free?

 

Why would I have any reason to doubt a man that:

Has had footage of his loss to Sconiers scrubbed from the internet
Paid a guy to take a dive already
Robbed Fury in their first fight
Had unfavourable but accurate commentary of that fight deleted from the internet and replaced with new commentary. They actually went to the trouble months later to lay down new commentary on an old fight.

The only benefit of the doubt I'll give him is that Helenius is a good actor, he sold it really well. But Wilder's career has been smoke and mirrors since day one.

 

Said it before and I'll say it again, Wilder stops anyone in the division aside from fury.

 

Honestly, that punch wasn't that powerful. Or Helenius is what we suspect it is - an old and outworn bag. Wilder is a puncher, but lets not overexaggerate - puncher against people out of top 50.

Now claiming he's a beast after beating another bum isn't serious, but shows no vision over the sport: Wilder has to face Usyk, Joshua, Joyce in his next 2-3 years he'll be fighting. At worst, Ortiz, Parker, Yoka, Dubois, Sanchez, Bakole, Makhmudov.

 

Before the fight a lot of people on here thought helenius would trouble wilder.

 

Was supposed to do for like 3-4-5 rounds or at least perform decently. Has the experience, the same size, but heavier. But obviously proved he's just another s**tbag - the kind Wilder is a master of knocking out.

 

So Wilder gets his power from the speed more than the mass and this can account for his KOs to a degree.
But absolutely the amount of ''walk off'' KOs he gets (or almost gets) versus seasoned big HWs is highly suspect.
It's almost cartoon like.
The answer is most likely above average HW power + expensive Murican PEDs.

 

Stfu.