Wilder hits about as hard as Fury, nothing more

They are average in truth
Good fighters lose to average guys at times

We just have to disagree
I think Chambers was average at best
Is what it is

 

Eddie Chambers hardly gave Povetkin any trouble. He had spots of success here and there , but was beaten thoroughly. One judge had it a complete shut-out for Povetkin at 119-109

Takam out boxed Povetkin for the first 4-5 rounds thoroughly and decisively. Those were clear rounds as Povektin struggled to land and was getting picked of with jabs. Two judges had Takam up after 4 in Russia.

To say Povektin didn't struggle with Takam is false. He struggled with a full camp and arguably with a body full of roids. Chambers never swept rounds from Povetkin like Takam did. I take Takam over Chambers who had cement feet. Chambers couldn't beat Adamek or Mchunu. Takam boxing n moving like he did against Parker would win a decision over slow footed Chambers.

Joshua fought Takam on a weeks notice and had to adapt his strategy on the fly as Pulev was a completely different stylistic challenge. He broke his nose early from a headbutt yet still never lost a round of the fight.
Takam fought very negatively against Joshua and pranced around the ring avoiding any engagement.

 

So according to you Fury's #2 win is a over a "fraud" manufactured fighter. Which means you obviously think his #1 win is a gunshy shakey chinned 40 year old who barely threw anything. In other words Fury's resume is garbage.

If You don't understand this then you don't understand boxing. You can't call Wilder his #2 best win while also believing Wilder is a fraud with a trash resume without admitting Fury's resume is also trash.

Cunningham was not a harder opponent than the 1st wilder fight. I don't care what Fury claims, he was knocked on his ass twice and was lucky to be alive.

The bottom line is there is no way in hell Fury hits harder than Wilder. Where are his knockouts? You don't see his opponents on the floor twitching and convulsing. You don't see them out like a broken lamp being counted out. You don't see them on jelly legs stumbling and crashing to the canvas. Fury lacks early round KO's even against low level easy to hit competition.

When Tommy Morrison got destroyed by Ray Mercer no one claimed Morrison's power was a "myth" because they would have sounded incredibly stupid. Ditto for Razor Ruddock after he was wiped out by Lennox in 2. Fury fought the perfect game plan and took away Wilder's power before he could get off or land anything significant. You have no room to talk questioning anyone's boxing knowledge when you make this idiotic claim. There are like a dozen sparring partners and opponents in awe of Wilder's power and their interviews are all over YouTube and boxing articles. Where are all the people claiming Fury is a devastating hitter?

 

So wilder isn't the 2nd best win of Fury's career? Who do you have as Fury's 2nd best win?

He won a snooze fest decision over a glass jawed gunshy 40 year old. If that is your best win then yes you have a pretty crappy resume. You do realize that beating an aging late 30/40 something champ is how prospects make a name for themselves? Marciano did it with Joe Louis, Tyson did it with Holmes, De la Hoya did it with Chavez, Khan did it with Barrera, etc. Those wins are primarily good for their "name" value.

You keep repeating this nonsense about Wladmir being the best in the world when Fury dethroned him but the reality is many boxers could have beaten that version of Wlad. He couldn't pull the trigger, his reflexes and timing were off, and his chin issues weren't getting any better. It just goes to show the sorry state the division was in.

No it's obvious to anyone who isn't an irrational hater that Wilder hits much harder than Fury regardless of his resume.

Then Fury's best wins are a glass jawed old man and a fraud with a trash resume. The fact You can't grasp this is very ironic. You aren't very bright.

He had 2 tune ups before the 1st wilder fight. None of this has anything to do with the difficulty of the fight compared to Cunningham. You are an idiot if you believe he gave Fury a harder time.

Very few people can produce the sort of scary late round knockout power in the 12th like Wilder did. Fury hit the deck like he got shot. Everyone who saw the fight was in awe at how Fury managed to get up and even compared it to the Shavers vs Holmes knockdown. It was devastating and most refs would have stopped it. To see that and claim his power is oversold is a very bizarre statement. It doesn't mean Wilder's power is a myth, it means Fury has incredible heart and recovery.

You clearly have an agenda but you are pretending to be this enlightened objective poster despite dozens of people laughing at your absurd claims. Sounds more like you're the delusional one. Might want to look that up before you point fingers.

I meant to write that you claimed him and fury hit the same, which is a direct quote:

Anyone writing this stupidity has no room to talk about someone being misinformed or lacking boxing knowledge.

Yeah, stopped. On his feet. Because the towel was thrown. Because despite being like 30 lbs heavier and landing flush power shots all night with a come forward aggressive approach, Fury still couldn't KO a sitting duck "fraud" wilder. Do You not understand the different between a knockout, a knock down, and a towel stoppage?

Do You not realize how stupid you look right now? I asked you where are all of Fury's knockouts if he hits as hard wilder and you use the wilder fight, a guy you yourself said was a fraud? A guy he didn't actually knockout?

Plenty of scientific boxers commit to their punches. Even Pernell Whitaker and Floyd Mayweather have scored some nasty knockouts despite being slick defensive wizards. Fury is sorely lacking. You are in no position to educate anyone.

Fury had sat down on his punches in several fights. Wallin, chisora, wilder, I'm seeing a severe lack of devastating KO's.

You do realize Fury was NOT using his usual scientific style in the 2nd wilder fight? His weight was on the front foot, he threw several power shots with bad intentions and he was constantly stepping forward. He scored 2 questionable knockdowns (wilder was hit on the ear and lost his equilibrium) but couldn't actually knock wilder spark out.

Where are the knockouts of Fury? I dont mean corner stoppages or standing TKO's. You decided to open your big mouth and claim Fury hits just as hard. I'm waiting for a highlight reel of Fury's punches having the same sort of devastating effect that Wilder has. That's why you snipped out my post and only focused on this sentence.

Wilder's knockouts are well documented and all over YouTube. We can see how hard he hits with common sense and the eye test. No one is claiming Wilder is some amazing boxer or all time great but the difference between him and Fury is night and day.

The example still stands. No one claimed those guys lacked power after their devastating losses because they would have sounded stupid. 1 loss doesn't suddenly mean a guy's power is smoke and mirrors. I guess Shavers and his long list of devastating losses nullified all his brutal ko's and OBVIOUS display of power on film? Everyone who fought him claiming he hit hard af were full of it? Kownacki is an exposed fraud and feather fisted because of his 1 loss? Shoot i guess Joshua is a fraud too his power disappeared in the Ruiz rematch. Since according to your logic 1 loss means all prior knockouts don't count and we should ignore the obvious devastating effects a boxer's punches have on the opponent. Let's ignore all the guys whose heads snap, who have sweat and blood flying, who drop like a sack of potatoes and are on jelly legs or simply stay down.

I challenge you to make a poll and ask who people think hit harder. Better yet go to a boxing gym and ask the guys there. Bonus points if you record their reactions because that would make for some funny ass HBO quality comedy. I will get myself banned if you can find an overwhelming amount of people who agree with your moronic claims.

 

Glass City Cobra, you are an excellent poster & make some fine points here.
But why get down in the gutter & start responding in (un)kind by calling him an idiot & similar insults?
Sure he is irrational. Just stick to the great points you have & disagree civilly.
Tons of folks here have contradicted him, & yet he still confuses ability to finish guys-or how early-with raw power.

But he also has mucho conflicts because he gets demeaning & verbally abusive from the safety of Internet Anonymity.
When I called him on it, he had no actual defense, insulted me, & repeatedly projected his own adolescent at best conduct upon me, writing "grow up".

Just make the arguments-if they are worth it to you-codemn or report name calling or hate speech...
And move on.

 

Great.

 

At least Wilder has never done this.

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Nah, if he did that punch would have floored himself.. lol

 

Wilders KO percentage in world title fights: 69%

Joshuas: 64%

They are about the same.