Wilder is a bigger hype job than AJ.

I’m referring to Joshua NOT being a hype job and to Usyk as a future ATG not Fury

Might help if you slowed down a bit and read the thread properly

 

Lmao my bad, im hungry

 

You see, the problem with No 2. is No 1.

I shouldn’t need to explain why but . .
Wilder hasn’t beaten anybody in his whole career who was remotely a good fighter, the guys he’s “smoked” were club fighters, tomatoe cans, white collar boxers etc..
They had no ambition to see the fight through 10 rounds, they’re waiting to roll over at the first tickle and once down they have no intention of getting up, they’ve done their job, served their purpose.
As such they are no measure of a fighters (Wilders) supposed power!

 

I agree with the principles here but I can't for the life of me understand why Parker is rated as any kind of "dangerous fight". Parker couldn't even wobble Cojanu or Fa or clearly outbox Ruiz at home, seriously lacked killer instinct and had a bodyguard referee + corrupt cornerman against him to boot, periodically giving AJ the requisite breathers to go 12 rounds for the first time. Duhaupas was unironically more dangerous than Parker, Pulev and Takam because as limited as he may have been, he was big, iron-chinned and determined to win. Ortiz 2 also wasn't so dangerous because his strategy of trying to carefully outbox Wilder was self-defeating given his attributes (slow feet, suspect engine) and the fact he was KO'd the first time when he was 20 months younger and undefeated.

I also think it's harsh to discount Ruiz 1. I agree that Stiverne 1 was better and on paper more dangerous but that doesn't mean Ruiz posed little threat. He was confident, determined, experienced, very heavy, tough, with fast hands and easy to underestimate. Ruiz botched the rematch by not preparing but he was definitely live the first time round. He's not a big puncher but he was throwing with intent and that made him dangerous to some degree.

 

AJ spitting out his mouthguard is a 1pt foul atleast and absolutly can justify the fight to be over being a clear indication of quitting.
For whatever reason the ref let him.

 

AJ don't make it 12 with Wilder. I think he gets caught.

 

Yes it is a one point foul, but not necessarily an indication of his quitting (see Corrales v Castillo above).

If Joshua wanted to quit he wouldn't have tried to get up after every knockdown.

 

What makes you think Wilder goes twelve with Joshua without getting caught?

 

Wilder takes a better shot than AJ. He'd catch him and put him away.

 

I appreciate the effort, I was a fan too and when I saw the last minute stand in of Ruiz I also thought Ruiz did not stand a chance.
AJ flat out quit! Its a hard pill to swallow but its the truth!

 

Based on what? When did he take a flush right hand from Wlad and get up?

 

I'm not actually that big a fan of Joshua's. I just don't like to see a man unfairly maligned.

No, he didn't quit. Nothing indicated that he was doing anything other than trying to buy time (which you only do if you're still trying to find a way to claw yourself back into the fight).

A man that quits also wouldn't immediately rematch the man they quit to, let alone be favoured to beat them. Maybe that's a bit of a sketchy point but at least give me examples of other instances where this occurred. I can't think of any myself.

 

No need to carry this debate any furthur if neither you or I are a fan of his. Lol!
Bottom line is he lost whether he quit or not. Lol!

 

Yeah he lost, but why would my being a fan of his or not influence the debate any?

 

Why would I debate somthing that even though I know the truth of dont care to debate.
I could care less Bout AJ to be honest. No disrespect to you.