Wilder is completely ducking Anthony joshua watch this video. his pricing out of the dazn offer.

All your AJ figures are UK except one and some are wrong. The one US one is at this point based on sales to the secondary market and still lower than Wilder's last fight as the figure you gave for that is wrong also.

AJ had 16,000 watch his last fight on DAZN.

All I have said from the start is that AJ is A-Side for any UK fight, but not worth ANY MORE than 50-50 for a US fight.

You have all the facts. At this point it's entirely up to you if you want to accept them or keep deluding yourself with this same BS again and again. Either way, I've done all I can for you. All the best x

 

No need to get upset and personal. The facts are what they are. Many sources are saying AJ did HORRIBLE NUMBERS on DAZN, but absolutely no sources are saying they were good. The only people saying they are good are about 10 hardcore posters on a boxing forum who seem to have no inside knowledge of any kind.

 

I'm not upset and I wasn't being personal, it was simply a mere observation based upon your recent postings. All hot air and no substance.

You keep banging on about AJ / DAZN and 16k.

Lets flip this on its head then.

How many tickets do you think Wilder would sell in the UK compared to AJs average of around 80k+ and also AJs PPV figures?

I'll nudge you in the right direction, about a 1/4 (20k tickets @o2) if he is lucky.

 

You have misunderstood my posts entirely. It seems like you're letting your emotions get the better of you. AJ is unquestionably the A-Side for a UK fight where he sells tens of thousands of tickets and a lot of low priced PPVs. I never disputed this at any point.

However, he has no argument for being worth MORE THAN 50-50 for a fight in the US. It's pretty simple if you calm yourself down and look at the facts.

 

Isnt the A side usually dictated by the money?

Usually that involves large PPV sales because large PPV sales = Lots of money.

But since DAZN dont work on a PPV model and pay a sh1t ton of money regardless of 16k viewers or 10 million viewers then surely since they are offering the absolutely huge guarantee then that still makes AJ the A side? Wilder did respectable numbers in his first PPV but that barely covered the money offered for Breazeale.

They should do a cross promotion and let AJ take all the DAZN money and let Wilder keep all the US PPV sales.

 

Then people would hear they could get a year subscription to boxing as well as the PPV fight for about the same cost.. showtime would never let that happen..... furthermore you could pay 20 bucks for a 1 month sub and see the fight.

 

But by your logic, AJ had absolutely no right or reason to turn down the $80mn Haymon offered him last year. The money offered was far more than he'd ever made and according to you all other factors should have been irrelevant.

If you care about making the most money, they should clearly do the fight on ESPN PPV or FOX PPV as those channels will have the most exposure and the best chance of generating the maximum number of PPV buys in the US at a high price point (i.e. $80+). The only reason to fight on DAZN is if they believe the fight won't generate what DAZN is offering as a guarantee.

I believe none of the top 3 HWs should be fighting each other on a flat-fee basis, regardless of who is offering the fee. Any one of those fights will be huge and all 3 deserve to make Mayweather-level PPV money on the back end. Using DAZN guarantees to say AJ is the A-Side is therefore pretty bogus IMO.

 

That's only true if DAZN doesn't raise the subscription price again like they have before Canelo's first proper fight on the platform.

If DAZN was to offer the fight for $20, it's obvious that AJ and his opponent will be missing out on huge amounts of PPV money.

DAZN is already losing money hand over fist. If you think they can afford to lose another $50-$100mn subsiding the purses for one fight you're quite wrong.

Just FYI, if the fight does 1.2mn additional subs on DAZN instead of a 1.2mn real PPV buys, that's a revenue loss for the event of circa $70mn. DAZN have no ability to pay the fighters what they deserve at even their increased price.

 

What was wrong with my math? Show me where I even put down an equation. I stated he won't get 20 mil from Showtime to fight Brazeale. I simply said lets come back to this four fights down the line to see whether he made the right move or not.

 

Its a gossip video nothing more... If Eddie Hearn or someone actually direct involved then thats a source. Then it need to be confirmed by another reliable source, then you can report it..

Angry Whyte because he didn't get his big pay day is gossip because no one directly involved would have been giving him figures.

Don't be so gullible...

 

AJ fans are clearly certified accountants with nil boxing knowledge but endless numbers drivel as evidenced by every single thread about Wilder.

 

Clearly the 16,000 figure is fake and was removed, alas boxing websites and forums continue to this day using that figure or there about.
When you look into the poor numbers Wilder did against Ortiz, you can now not compare with the upcoming Brezeale fight as it will be free to air. I never used Fury and those numbers because to be honest Fury probably brought in more of the PPV than Wilder. Luckily for Wilder he kept his belt and it garnered interest from fight fans and casuals. But again we will not have the opportunity to see how much interest was from Wilders side again as his next fight is FREE to air.

 

That's what's known as 'in a nut shell' and there is 0 argument to be had to counter, unless of course your name is Davo and you like to argue lost causes just for fits and giggles. In my humble opinion, Wilder deserves a 25% split as he has only 1 of 4 major belts, arguably lost his last fight but, got gifted a draw and has barely a 10th of the commercial and business value of AJ........Oh and let's not forget, Wilder is the grand champion of cherry picks so the AJ fight will never happen unless Joshua ends up recovering from a stroke, heart attack or other severe injury/ impediment