Wilder is not and never was the 2nd best HW.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by FastSmith7, Oct 10, 2021.

  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

    Jul 21, 2012
    Ortiz wouldn't duck Joshua. If memory serves it was a promoter dispute.

    But Whyte did in fact duck a final eliminator with Ortiz... If Whyte had taken the fight and won he would have got his Wilder shot in 2019. Whyte wanted no part of a tricky southpaw counter puncher

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  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

    Jul 21, 2012
    Stopped reading there because nobody rates Ortiz
  3. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Active Member Full Member

    May 6, 2021
    Continue in your delusions, then.

    He's consistently been rated top ten and done **** all to justify it.
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  4. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Active Member Full Member

    Sep 30, 2019
    Povetkin 2 should not be on this list for Whyte. He was already 41 and had coronavirus. He didn't even look like he was really there to compete in the rematch.
  5. Themessiah

    Themessiah no hables tanta mierda Full Member

    Feb 1, 2021
    Wilder is still better than glass chin Whyte
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  6. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 2, 2015
    Stopped reading at the garbage about Rivas being arguably a better win than Ortiz and them struggling about the same against Jennings. Ortiz fought the much better Jennings(at the time, Jennings had the same esteem among fans as Micheal Hunter does today and was a borderline top5 HW) and put on a far, far superior performance. Not to mention, Hammer, Scott, Old Tony Thompson and even Dave Allen, would be Rivas’ second, third, fourth and fifth best wins.
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  7. tinman

    tinman Retired Gvozdyk Full Member

    Feb 25, 2015
    It may not be just among the champs though. Wilder avoided the top 10 like the plague. I imagine even Whyte, old Povetkin, old Wlad, Joyce would stop him. Hell, guys like Paker would be a live dog against him.
  8. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    He was always #3 before Usyk entered the division, behind Fury & AJ.

    With Usyk in the division, he's #4.

    That's how most reasonable people rank him.
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    That's why I was very specific about just limiting it to the champs
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  10. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 16, 2020
    Another US boxing fans dreams: boxer's PR and passport is everything for majority of fans.
    Wilder under pro rules not likely was able to beat amateur boxer Russo versions from Olympic Games.:p
    And do not talk about killer D.W here.
    If in Games they had maybe 8 rounder 8X3 minutes vs Russo, It most likely had been Wilder not Russo who had been finished in distance.;)
    Btw then Wilder was better boxer than he was later in pro ranks.:D

    Whyte maybe is chinny but he does have more 1 punch power than Fury and Wilder is US fanbase hypejob train.
    Usyk Isn't 40 y.o uncle Ortiz and Stiverne for sure.
    A.J : we might talk what we wish to imagine, does have 2 very heavy hands. Yes, looks that he does get tired when he attempts to get someone out.
    Still, he is far more less predictable than Wilder and yeah, with 2 heavy hands.
  11. RealDeal

    RealDeal Active Member Full Member

    May 2, 2009
    Wilder would never land a flush right on Usyk. He’d lose every round on the cards too.
  12. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very physically stay humble Full Member

    Sep 5, 2016
    He'd just be another punchbag on Wlad's resume if he fought him.

    Slow, plodding, one-two dosser with a mean grimace and a heart condition, who's beaten one live body in his entire career. Nothing grotesque about where any sane person rates him.
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  13. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

    Jul 21, 2012
    I suppose you rate slow as molasses Tony Thompson a lot higher than him :buenrollo:
  14. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very physically stay humble Full Member

    Sep 5, 2016
    The younger version Wlad KOed or the ancient geriatric that's one of Ortiz's best wins?
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  15. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Sep 21, 2017
    He's also grossly under-aged!