Wilder is one of the worst HW champions ever.

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  1. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Im not sure mate, he got beaten up by Demetrice King and his claim to fame was beating a durable but highly limited Arreola. Imo Stiverne is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history and at least 15-20 active guys would have beaten him the night he lost his title.
     
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  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    I agree, but was Stiverne a worst champion than Charles Martin?
     
  3. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    All I’m hearing are excuses and trying to get out of confronting the truth, YDKSAB.
     
  4. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    We knew this for years
     
  5. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    And it's what furys legacy and wealth is based off
    Crazy ain't it
     
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  6. oldcanvasback

    oldcanvasback Active Member Full Member

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    'you guys'. I speak only for myself.
     
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  7. TFP

    TFP Active Member Full Member

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    he's now 38 years old, i.e. hopelessly past his best as an athlete, for context Usain Bolt is 37 and retired in 2017.

    he's not nearly the worst champ ever, the likes of Charles Martin are light years ahead on that score... might he be the worst 10+ defence champ, well, maybe, but that's damned respectable company to be in.
     
  8. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oh, Jesus…
     
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  9. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Foreman won the title at 45 and Wlad was fighting at a high level into his 40s. Not saying Wilder wasn’t past his best but heavyweights fight on far longer.

    It’s different to track and field. Top sprinters suffer far more injuries and peak at different times. Bolt was cooked in 2017 but remember Gatlin competed at a world class level until he was 40. It varies between athletes.
     
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  10. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'll bet 24 hours ago you were saying Wilder would spark Parker in 3.
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Like I've been saying, he'd only beaten 2 world champions in 46 fights and only fought 3 in 46. That's 4 in 47 fights now

    1. Liakhovich was 2-4 in his last 6 and shot to bits, 3 of those losses via KO or stoppage, both wins against nobodies

    2. Stiverne who was sick and is one of the worst HW champions of all time even when healthy and Stiverne was shot to bits in the rematch. Even worse, Stiverne has lead feet, a short reach, a head which is a magnet for right hands, and he's lost to virtually every decent big man he's fought ie. tailor-made for The Dosser

    3. Belly who he should be 0-3 against in his own backyard where everything was stacked in his favour.

    4. J-Park who just completely outclassed him winning at worst 11 of the 12 rounds

    So against world champions he's 3-3-1 but he should be 3-4-0 and the only ones he managed to beat were tailor-made for him and sick when he fought a prime version of them and the other was shot to hell

    So truth be told he's 1-4-0 against prime world champions and 0-4-0 against prime healthy world champions and the same against prime world champions above D level

    Ortiz is his best ever win but he lost every round to him prior to his power saving him and he rabbit punched Ortiz to death in the first fight and needed a time out from the commission to help him recover after being hurt badly at the end of the previous round. Like Stiverne, Ortiz has lead feet, a short reach and a head which is a magnet for right hands too and he'd never really fought a legit puncher before either.

    The reason they hype the hell out of Ortiz is because he's the only legit skilled guy The Dosser has ever beaten and it's his one claim to sone kind of legitimacy and even then Ortiz was the same age in their first fight as The Dosser is now only difference is Ortiz had probably been boxing since he was in the crib, had over 360 amateur fights of wear and tear on his body fighting at a high/elite level for a very long time, whereas, conversely The Dosser didn't even take up the sport until he was 20, had 35 amateur fights IIRC, and fought 40 + low to no skill lollipop men, crab fisherman, and speech therapists as a pro.

    How the hell did we even get to a time and place where many fans had the audacity to hype up the likes of Molina, Washington, Spzilka, Duhuapas, Breazeale etc. as ''world class''? All of them bar Breazeale are glass jawed and are or would be considered weak or some of the weaker wins on AJ's CV, whereas they're considered strong or stronger ones on The Dosser's

    At least half of his title defences came against fellow low or very low skill late starters who transitioned from other sports and had the WBC actually ranked world class guys and former world champions with skills in their top 10 the gravy train would've been derailed much sooner than it was
     
  12. Hotep Kemba

    Hotep Kemba Member Full Member

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    Crab fisherman and speech therapists :lol:How'd you guys come up with this stuff lol
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: I try to be creative
     
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  14. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’ll have you know Dustin Nichols is no fisherman, he’s sink any boat he was put in.
     
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: