Wilder is so ANTI Peds.......But cheats anyway.

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  1. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    So he hates the PEDS, doesnt see why his opposition should cheat and come into a fight against him any stronger or fitter or in any better shape than he can get himself in a 10-12 week training camp and if they do test positive he has a strong stance and just wont fight them cheats.

    Waiting until the very last possible minute to offer a fight to somebody and then ensuring they get a training camp of no more than 2 or 3 weeks, knowing you can offer this becuase of the temptation of winning the belt. Its just ANTI PEDS. Its just anotherr form of cheating.

    PEDS gives you unfair and unnatural advantages.You come in too fit
    Short training camps to your opposition gives you unfair advantages. You come in fitter than your opposition who have not had the chance to build up stamina.

    Wilder your a ****ing cheat too. So be a bit angry about Povetkin, Ortiz but please remember your a fukkin cheat too. You are no better. And to be honest im just waiting for the day you get caught for PEDS too. Its only a matter of time.
     
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  2. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Povetkin was cleared by VADA for the Wilder fight, but the WBC had to protect Wilder. Ortiz taking blood pressure meds? The doctor explained it on youtube, he can't understand way VADA would call blood pressure meds a PED. It's a puzzle to everyone except the powers that be in boxing that protect the fraud Wilder! Face it, Wilder will always fight winos from the alley, if he signs to fight Joshua,they will frame Joshua also, watch and see. Wilder is afraid of Joshua and rightly so................Joshua will knock him out!
     
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  3. sir axeman

    sir axeman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think those blood pressure meds are considered as masking agents rather than PEDs....so they're banned likely for that reason. I do agree with the OP re giving his opponents short notice to fight...i think that is quite a deliberate thing. But anyway pro fighters should remain fairly in shape year round anyway.....its their job to be ready for when opportunity knocks! Instead of living like slobs till the phone rings....like Dyson Too FAT Fury was...a none athlete
     
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  4. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    That's true, but fight camp isn't just a time to get into peak condition but a time to develop and practise your strategy for fight night, which will necessarily be different for every opponent you face and cannot be anticipated. By giving opponents such a short window you ensure their fight preparation is relatively poor and at this sort of level that can make a huge difference. Wilder can continue to do this to lower level fighters (not that he should) but that sort of gamesmanship won't wash at the top end of the sport.
     
  5. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Exactly, Peds bring you into the ring more prepared than you really should be, its an unfair advantage, Giving your opposition no time to train for fitness and train for tactics means they are coming in not as prepared as they should be, its an unfair advantage. Different ends of the same spectrum.
     
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  6. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    The only plus side for Wilder that I can see is that a fighter knows how long he's got to train going into a fight, whereas he doesn't necessarily know if a fighter is taking PEDs or what sort of effect they might have on his performance. They can make an educated choice.

    Also, if you're a naturally rugged fighter who tends to fight the same way regardless of opposition then a short training camp isn't going to affect you as negatively as it would a more skills based fighter.

    I don't consider it the same level of cheating as PED use but it's definitely gamesmanship designed to give the champion an unfair advantage.
     
  7. nurological

    nurological Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Surely they are protecting him to get the Joshua payday though? Otherwise there is no other reason
     
  8. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    Part of me wants wilder to break Joe Louis title reign length and hold the wbv title for another ten years without ever facing anyone good and every half decent fighter getting busted for PEDs just to show how much of a joke boxing is and especially the wbc
     
  9. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    A fighter only offering short training camps to opponents is a red flag they're using themselves. Testing doesn't start until the fight's signed.

    The benefits last after they're out of your system, so the point is not to sign on until you're sure you'll test negative, but would still get the benefits of using.
     
  10. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's a lot I don't understand about Wilder's career. Like:

    I don't know how he was approved to be in a title elimination fight with his abysmal resume.

    I don't know how his opponent Malik Scott was approved to be in a title elimination fight having lost 1 of his previous 2 fights and his win being over a sub par fighter.

    I don't understand the fight itself - it looks like a dive to me.

    I don't understand how Wilder as the mandatory to the WBC champion received the larger end of the purse in their fight when mandatories typically receive 20-25 percent of the purse.

    I don't understand how the champion a Don King fighter who has years and years in the business failed to get his fighter the proper share and/or even an immediate rematch clause. I don't understand why the WBC granted the managers two extensions to this fight.

    I don't understand how Wilder's first defense then came against King's only other HW fighter Molina who fought no one to be ranked as a viable defense. Excuse me he fought one Arreola and was ko'd in 1 round by him.

    I don't understand how Wilder was allowed to fly home from England before the WBC had the chance to to rule on Povetkin's trace amounts of meldonium. Doesn't the WBC have final say- when do fighters call the shots before the governing bodies.

    I don't understand how Wilder is constantly allowed voluntaries. I don't understand how Stiverne can still be ranked as his mandatory.

    I don't understand how Povetkin can be removed yet Stiverne who failed a test remains.

    Very confusing career arc so far.
    Down right strange???

    Maybe corrupt?
     
  11. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    Thats also true
     
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  12. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Well there have been questions about other holders of the WBC titles. Or atleast decisions passed by or made by the WBC.
     
  13. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Wilder looks like a skinny NBA player between fights, but after a training camp he looks like a beast. Wilder is on PEDs as well, he is no exception.
     
  14. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Very good point. I remember Szpilka complaining about the lack of testing in the run up to their fight and was told there'd be random testing either pre- or post-fight (WTF?). Needless to say, I think he's still waiting on that post-fight random testing to take place.
     
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  15. vnyc

    vnyc Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    wilder is a can crusher, I don’t like him anymore, but he can punch , he’s tall and explosive and joshua is overrated glass jawed stiff, so it’s really 50/50 fight. I think Wilder has a very good chance to knock Joshua out but all you limeys acting like joshua is something special.
     
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