Wilder/Joshua somebody has to compromise

Lol Joshua having more belts means he is the better fighter? How silly is that though process. Neither Wilder or AJ has did much with their careers. Beating up old men and bums, but the heavyweight is so bad that they can get by with this. AJ doesn't want to fight Wilder and Wilder doesn't want to fight AJ. They both will avoid each other as long as they can.

 

Not fussed is Wilder retires tbh. He lost to a coming back Fury in what was supposed to be his big coming out party. I think he'd get completely dominated in a rematch and blown out in 4 by Joshua.

If he wants to get real and start making these big fights then great if he doesn't then so long and thanks for nothing.

Its Fury Joshua I really want to see.

 

Wilder saying he wants 50/50 was out of anger for the messing around and ducking committed by team Joshua. Team Wilder accepted an offer which makes up about 10-15% of the split for a fight in 2018 and Hearn went running.

 

We just need Wilder and Finkel to accept Wilder is the B side here. Its never been a problem for Floyd opposition or Canelo or Hopkins of DLH or Winky wright, RJJ, Mosley, Tyson, Holyfield, and so on and so on and so on. Fighters around the world recognised and bowed to these wonderful American A sides and the numbers that backed them.

But now we have a Great British A side who wants the lions share of the split and to fight on home turf and the B side, the American, cant accept it and demands it has to be 50-50 and held in American. Even though the American has just made his big play at proving hes atleast a joint A side and failed at the attempt.

 

Wilder is not in Joshua's class and should take what he can get and sell the belt.

Then Joshua and Fury, the real #1 and #2, can fight for greatness.

 

Fury is going to sink the Wilder / Aj fight like a stone when he destroys Wilder in a rematch. If fat-farm Fury could do this, a properly match fit Fury is going to disintegrate him.

 

I think Joshua can win this. I favor him, but on this one they should be 50/50 if Eddie Hearn wants the fight.

 

If the fight takes place in UK then IMO 60/40 for AJ is very reasonable

 

Yeah, Wilder has to compromise.

If not then he can fooq off.

 

After the Fury fight, with the PPV numbers I say Wilder
deserves no more than 35-40%. (and that is based on
the PPV doing far better than I thought it would). 50-50 is
out of the question.

 

All this talk of wilder should get this or at ignores a simple point. In a negotiation where a party is playing hard to get, they are really only as strong as your alternative options. What can you get if you walk away?

In Wilders case he has one alternative fight which MAY generate significant reward, but on his recent performance it comes with a big risk that he will lose, lose convincingly and in such a way that his value in the division is permanently compromised.

If AJ doesn't make the fight does anyone seriously doubt that Hearn can't make the Mandatories pay AJ a decent return at lower comparative risk? It's no time their best option, but Whyte makes a big domestic fight, Miller a decent intro to the US then Pulev.

thirty five percent of a big sum is bigger than fifty percent of nothing.

 

And Wilder's team knows this so they went on a media blackout regarding rematch. They don't want it as its way too dangerous. If he loses to Fury then a payday vs. AJ is lost for the foreseeable future while the Fury rematch would make a fraction of the AJ fight.

 

Not necessarily. There are a few ways I think the match gets made without either side really moving from their real position (which isn't their public position, by any stretch of the imagination).

If Wilder loses to Fury, and AJ stays champ long enough to face him as champ, I think the match gets made fairly easily at around 25-28%, basically around what a mandatory defense would cost.

If Wilder beats Fury, and the rematch does over 500k PPV, then AJ's going to have to offer over 40% for a UK fight and Wilder probably takes it.

If AJ's April Wembley event does a disappointing haul, Wilder beats Fury and does a comparable number of ppvs to what it did this time, then AJ again probably offers him over 40% and Wilder probably accepts.

The only ways the fight gets even harder to make is if AJ loses or if Wilder beats Fury but does lower PPV numbers while AJ is still selling out Wembley. That would exacerbate the bad dynamics.

People always want villains, but the truth is neither side is being really unreasonable in these negotiations at the moment. They just have a very tricky factual background. Both are well proven champs at this point. AJ much more financially proven than Wilder, but Wilder is now starting to have legit evidence of substantial financial drawing power of his own. Similar dynamics have held up other fights in the last decade. And many people on here who are talking "A side B side" now were on the other side in those debates. The heightening of the A side B side rational over the years makes fights like this much harder to make.

But the fact is, both sides are acting reasonably enough considering the dynamics at play. Unfortunately, that may mean we never get the fight, though. Personally, I think Fury beats Wilder and then AJ. That may well stop an AJ Wilder fight from happening, unless Fury immediately retires again, or unless AJ fights a defeated Wilder before he faces Fury.

 

Wilder is still not a name. He can't be compared to AJ in terms of recognition and money.