Wilder keeps ducking Luis Ortiz and Alexander Povetkin

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  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ah OK then, that wasn't clear.

    Nothing you posted their refutes what I said either though in regards to Haymon protecting his fighters. None of the fights you listed happened did they.

    Glazkov I assume was when the IBF mandatory was vacant. It was Martin who got that shot, another Haymon fighter. Even if Wilder vs Glazkov was made I wouldn't say that was Haymon taking a risk at all, Glazkov was never any good the Scott fight proved that. Dibella wanted options I believe which is why Wilder didn't get that fight with Glazkov. The fact that Dibella wanted options didn't exactly say he had confidence that Wilder would win though.

    We've debated the possible fight with Fury recently, I won't cover old ground and agree to disagree with you in regards to that. But once again I wouldn't say Hughie was a huge risk given his lack of power and style.

    Wilder's team declined the Jennings fight when it was offered to them. I am not aware of Wilder chasing Jennings and offering them a fight. Though I don't think Wilder ducked him, he had already signed to fight Kelvin Price so wasn't available and at that time who knew if Price or Jennings were better, both were undefeated. But once again unless you can link and article that says otherwise Wilder and Haymon were not looking to fight Jennings to my knowledge.

    They turned down a voluntary defence against Povetkin after they beat Stiverne, for $10 mill, Finkel himself confirmed this. As I said before they only took it because it was a mandatory, so again this doesn't disprove my statement regarding Haymon.

    Wawrzyk was a Haymon fighter as I said in my other post, so again that just confirms my first post that Haymon looks to set Wilder up with his own fighters. Also don't confuse Haymon's role, he isn't a promoter just an adviser he has many fighters under different promoters but he does decide who his fighters employ as promoters as a part of their contracts.

    Joshua, lol when did Wilder fight Joshua. Haymon has had his fighters fight Joshua but only when he had options on Joshua which he got when Martin fought Joshua for the IBF belt.

    You need to look at how Haymon operates if you don't think he protects fighters. His fight cards are notoriously poor. Quillin dropped his belt, Stevenson seemed to avoid Hopkins and Kovalev as well as Pascal, Wilder not yet fought anyone decent. Haymon has paid step aside money for Alvarez and Stiverne to delay mandatory fights. Haymon's whole business model is risk adverse.
     
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  4. Brighton bomber

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    Yeah Kownacki's next fight is at the Barclays centre too, probably on march the 3rd on the under card of Wilder/Ortiz or the main event if Ortiz for some reason pulls out.

    It's pretty clear Wilder has the rest of his year planned out should they not take the Joshua fight.
     
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    Don't know why you keep repeating this when the source was revealed to come from a fake article which has since been deleted.
    Why the hell would Povetkins team team offer up 10M when they were already in a mandatory position and went on to win the rights of the fight for half that amount?
    If that was a real offer (i don't remember it ever being on the table) why don't they offer it again now?


    Stevenson never avoided Hopkins and was entering into purse bids with Kovalev until Kovalev pulled out. Quillin is a rare example of Al holding somebody back.

    This is how Haymon really operates.

    Jacobs vs Golovkin
    Wade vs Golovkin
    Lara vs Canelo
    Chavez Jr vs Canelo
    Broner vs Garcia
    Bute vs Jack
    DeGale vs Jack
    Spence vs Brook
    Porter vs Brook
    Khan vs Algeri
    Mayweather vs Paquaio
    Molina Jr vs Crawford
    Washington vs Miller
    Maligangi vs all 4 of his last fights against non Haymon boxers
    Mares vs Gonzales
    Russel vs Loma
     
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    Corrected
     
  7. Brighton bomber

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    We all know why Kovalev pulled out, he would of violated his HBO contract if forced to fight on Showtime. Fact is after Stevenson jumped ship the fight was never going to happen. There wasn't enough money in this fight for the networks to work together like they did for Lewis/Tyson and Mayweather/Pacquiao.

    Jacobs/Golovkin was mandated by the WBA not a voluntary

    Wade didn't have a belt nothing to lose in facing GGG

    Lara had nothing to lose vs Canelo, he was a small draw and even his belts were not on the line for some reason. Don't see the risk there, big payday and if you lose, well belts not on the line.

    Mayweather/Pac is not a good example that fight was delayed for ages and only took the risk after Pac was KO'ed cold by JMM.

    Look Haymon does make some good fights. Never said he didn't but makes them only when there is minimal risk or there is a lot of money on the line. Now that might be good for his fighters but it sucks for the fans when good fights don't get made when they should.