Wilder loses his **** while questioned about "cheating" claim

I think Wilder will be a little more pumped than vs Hendon.

I am in agreement Chisora is favorite but I think Wilder has a better chance than people think and it wouldn't surprise me if Wilder chinned him either.

 

Fair enough mate. I seriously doubt the explosiveness had completely left Wilder's punches vs Herndon because of a lack of motivation, he was still trying to hit as hard as he could. He just doesn't have that A-grade quality fast twitch muscle fibre anymore, nor does he have the technique to fall back on once the athleticism has deserted him.

That said, you're a decent, respectful poster, so will just agree to disagree on this one.

 

Sure no problem we can disagree thanks mate.

That's why I said a little because I also agree Wilder has declined a lot rather than the fact he wasn't not trying to hit hard. I personally think Chisora is the favorite as well but I suspect I have the odds a little closer than you.

 

I would think it's probably fair to say that Chisora is more declined physically... But Wilder's performance levels are more declined.

In the sense that Wilder's probably lost more performance ability for 3 main reasons:
1) He was very reliant on his speed and fast twitch, so even losing less hits him harder.
2) He relied to some extent on his aura - guys getting caught indecisive and/or hesitant because of his perceived power helped him.
3) He's been exposed a little bit - there's a clear blueprint to beat him now that's almost kryptonite... And it suits Chisora well.


Put that together and then look at how their prime performance level probably wasn't as far apart as pretty much everyone would've assumed before Wilder lost the zero (Chisora was a bit better than the number of losses suggested, whilst Wilder wasn't as good as the zero and the belt suggested)... And it's easy to see why Chisora would be a favourite at this point.


It's not a definite thing, nothing ever is in boxing, but I don't see Wilder winning this one.

 

Do you even understand what my points are?

I’ve said up above that I don’t and won’t believe his statements until I see evidence (not daft YouTube vids or daft YouTube debunks, I have a higher standard than kugan etc etc as my evidence) and that until he shows some he needs to shut up about it. even bubbles, one of his biggest critics in here has been positively conversing with me.

The only thing I’ve been opposing is your certainty that it’s impossible for fury to cheat.

You keep talking about his excuses etc and how it’s impossible, my only “reasonable doubt” is fury is an ex offender with previous convictions in regards cheating and he’s connected to a highly influential criminal organisation wanted by the fbi, one of the reasons is due to being involved in exactly what wilder is claiming.

Can you not comprehend that there may be a possibility fury could possibly cheat in his career? Or is he a saint and law abiding citizen now?

your focus is the accuser’s credibility, which you have spent several long posts on for NO reason, mine has been on the defendant’s credibility in this specific regard which is relevant.

For example, if you see an ex thief/terrorist in your area, hanging with a well known thief/terrorist group, even if a completely insane person accuses them of being up to their usuals, do we just dismiss the whole thing because the accuser seems delusional? No you don’t!
Why? because it’s very PLAUSIBLE.


Thank god you don’t work for the police or courts lol.

 

First of all- i am happy Deontay is still active. As ive always said, the man is a guarantee for entertainment. I always enjoy his strange quotes and delusional behaviour. But make no mistake, this man is mentally unwell. Even mentioning Tyson"s name makes him look like he has seen a ghost. After all these years, i hoped he had some personal growth and acceptance. He has only become more deluded. And by the way Deontay: keep race out of it, thats just so weak and unoriginal. Sad state of affairs.

Still tuning in to see him and Derek throw some hands. They seem to have some good chemistry going- bromance in the making.

Mark Breland must be so happy not to be in the corner of the Bronze Joker anymore. The man was spared several years of madness by firing him.

 

Lot of truth here.

Based on all your criticisms Chisora is still the perfect opponent for Wilder if you had to pick a top 40 guy. Slower, smaller, older not used to fighting someone he can't win a brawl with. If Wilders "fast twitch muscle fibre" is gone I don't think he needs it to win this fight. Wilder doesn't really need to set traps here and set up one shot. He can win this outright while "fighting underwater".

Wilder was outpointing all his defeated opponents except Luis Ortiz once. Wilder can win rounds against Chisora. He can hit hard and he can score 10-8s. That is still something that can get Wilder through at all but the highest levels of the HW division.

Now theres a chance Wilders just wilding and his confidence is shot and he doesn't believe in himself. But off what we've seen in the ring I think thats been proven to be the case yet.

 

Again, Wilder's credibility issues supersede. Innocent until proven guilty. Tie goes to the runner.

 

It was literally the perfect ending to his career that twirl and then crack was absolutely perfect, I don’t know why he’s been dug up.

 

No fury is a drug cheat and he corrupted a farmer to try and add credibility to his fanciful claim, I think it’s more reasonable to assume that if you have cheated once you will do again, you don’t suddenly become a changed man, you just get a better strategy, and fury chose the retirement route.

 

I think the costume might have been the problem but I don’t think it was to heavy, but it might have been to sparkley, I think he did well by not dying from shame for wearing something like that. I can confidently say that I will go my entire life without ever wearing a single sequin and I think it’s probably likely that none of my mates will ever wear one.

 

With the snap gone from Wilder's punches, we're left with two clubbers. Chisora has a better work rate, better stamina, better chin, is physically stronger and is both more accustomed to, and more physically suited to, a brawl in close.

I'll repeat, this is an easy fight to pick if you understand what you're watching. One of us doesn't, not too long until we find out which.

 

All you have done is bash the accuser and his credibility….stating your 100% certain fury is innocent because you cannot believe his accuser.

it’s your 100% certainty that’s the issue here.

I’ve said there may be a possibility due to the accusers well known connections and previous history.

All it is is you have more hatred for one than another, these emotions make you completely irrational.

the fact you state fury has cheated previously and is a dirty tactics fighter in other fights, but you are 100% certainty he will have been clean against wilder as wilder is a lunatic, this just shows you are irrational.


FYI- if it was a police scenario, It’s not the accusers job to investigate, it’s yours.

the accuser is quite often all over the place.
And you can’t dismiss claims coming from them because they are all over the place or brand them lunatics, especially when it’s about ex offenders in crime rings