One thing that Fury showed that I don't think has really been touched on was the fact Fury being so much physically bigger than Wilder manhandled him at will. Fury pushed Wilder around and got the clinch way to easy considering he was hurt a couple of times. Fury wasn't able to do this against Wlad given Wlad was far bigger and stronger.. IF Wilder AJ happens a 212 pound Wilder will be thrown around and manhandled by a much larger and stronger man, I would imagine AJ would be as strong as Fury. On top if this AJ hits far harder than Fury and although not in the same boxing class he has made some improvements to his defensive game.. I don't think Wilder can sit back and wait for the right shot because of the fact AJ is far more aggressive and powerful.. He will need more than his power for AJ he will need to bulk up so his isn't pushed around and sapped of energy like Fury did to him.. This isn't really a who will win thread but does anyone agree that Wilder lacks the bulk to compete with the top super heavies (well the other two good ones) if he can't (or they can take) his right hand..
I'd understand if he was 212 against Fury to up the pace and tire Fury out but the pace was SLOW and Wilder himself gassed after 8th round. I think at 212 Wilder's power is not all that, Fury beat the 10 count TWICE from supposedly the hardest puncher who ever lived lol Wilder may put AJ down at this weight but he ain't keeping him down.
I think Fury using his bulk was too much for Wider which was why he gassed out, the fight its self was not fast paced and Fury was far fresher at the end because he was pushing around a cruiser weight.. Wilder did manage to KO Ortiz @214 so he still has some pop at that level but he may have more if he was a bit heavier..
Fury didn’t take much punishment throughout the fight and the first KD was more a flash one so can’t judge Wilder’s power too much based on that. I was surprised to see Wilder gassing though, Fury looked like the one with more in the tank and I thought that would be one of Wilder’s assets...
I was kind of surprised Fury didn't lean on him a little more, tire him out., especially those skinny legs I think AJ would. I don't think Wilder needs to jump up too much in weight, but an extra few pounds of legs would go a long way.
Don't think it will help his stamina if he does. He has a reach, reflex and speed advantage that's how he can win if he does. And I'm not sure he can even effectively bulk up anymore he was pushing 230 without a gram of fat on him against Molina and duhaupas in 2015 but that was before strict vada.
The first knockdown was more Fury's doing than anything. Dodging low and getting off balance, he got caught on the back of the head and went down. Not much credit to give Wilder there. As to the OP, I don't think Wilder needs to bulk up a bit more from the fight, because I don't think it will matter. Joshua will likely outclass him and be more punishing than Fury.
All of Wilders fights are at a slow pace. His stamina and handspeed has been oversold. Wilders got two things going for him. Power and determination. How he doesn't get discouraged after missing so many shots and losing every round I'll never know but he refuses to give up and that will win him a lot of fights. Also his chin is better than originally advertised. I think a lot of fighters would have been dropped by some of the shots Fury landed, even if Fury isn't the hardest puncher. Despite that I don't see Wilder beating Joshua.
AJ is not really much of a clincher, he is not disciplined or as wise as Klitschko and Fury on when to clinch and not to clinch. If Wilder lands on that chin, he will get the ko.
Fury outbulked Wlad in the clinch as well. Wlad was clearly feeling it toward the end, and I think Fury's physical size and strength advantage was an underreported and underappreciated element of that fight. I used to think Wilder needed to add bulk. But at this point I just think he is who he is. I don't know ten or even 20 pounds would be worth giving up the speed for the added strength. If Wilder fights AJ and loses, it will be because he is unable to get to AJ before AJ gets to him. It won't be because he's outmuscled in the clinch. He has a naturally smaller frame, only about an inch extra of height, and will always lose to AJ in that regard. Wilder's best shot at AJ is being able to tag him before AJ tags Wilder, and I think speed is much more important to that. Personally, I've always thought Fury is the best of the big three, but that Wilder's length, speed, awkwardness, and unpredictability makes him the most dangerous to Fury. That AJ is probably the easiest stylistically of Fury's best opponents (Wlad and Wilder). But that AJ beats Wilder, because AJ is also heavy handed, probably less so than Wilder, but a much better boxer than Wilder, and therefore more likely to get to Wilder than Wilder is to get to AJ first. That said, if Wilder nails AJ like he nailed Fury in the 12th, AJ is not getting up.
Wilder would lose speed AND stamina if bulking up. Also AJ is more stationary than Fury, and he gasses as well. Wilder needs jabs, feints and movement to keep AJ at bay long enough for him to lowering the pace of the fight. Then take it from there.
Yeah, I would agree. With his weight as is, Wilder can certainly catch Joshua with a big punch, but it’s his flurries afterwards that will be smothered.
Everyone’s built differently and Wilders frame just doesn’t carry a lot of bulk. His biggest asset by far as we know is his power, so he has to give himself every chance to land those power shots. Speed and stamina is where it’s at for Wilder. He doesn’t want to go 12 with anyone, just put them down and get out of there