Wilder needs to retire.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Oddone, Oct 9, 2021.


  1. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    What? You can't be seriously suggesting that Michael Hunter is America's best heavyweight...

    That is ludicrous. The guy has no stamina and couldn't even put down a frail Povetkin who was being put down with just about anything at that point in his career, despite tagging him with everything but the kitchen sink. His power is therefore not very good.

    Michael Hunter is the next heavyweight hype job to be outed.
     
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  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't see why he would retire. Sure he lost badly twice but he lost to Fury it's not like he lost to some journeymen like Helenius.

    Someone like him who craves the attention and with his ego he won't want to end it like that. There's money still to be made, fights with AJ or Ruiz, perhaps even Whyte. Before he had his belt or 0 to protect he doesn't have that now, so maybe he will take some more risks.
     
  3. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Exactly.

    Wherever you rated him before, a beating like this is almost always highly damaging - not many fighters can come back the same.

    Worse, the trilogy dragged on so long that age is catching up with him too.

    I wouldn't bet on him beating most top ten fighters - they'd either be the wrong side of 50/50 or too close to 50/50 for comfort, in my view.

    Deontay's always been as cautious with his odds as I have - if I wouldn't bet on it, he wouldn't get in there with it (until Fury).
     
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  4. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    They just didn't want to believe it because Hunter ain't anything special.

    Much easier to board the hype train...
     
  5. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After Fury I think Wilder could be No2, he would definetly KO Joshua & has better heart, chin...doubt if Usyk could live with him & all the rest ae slow targets for Wilder...This fight did his earning power no harm imo...
     
  6. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    It did his earning power no harm, I'll agree with that.

    As for the rest... No way.

    Fury looked stale and not brilliantly conditioned and still won fairly comfortably - that doesn't leave much room to credit Wilder's potential against the rest of the division.

    Besides, that's two savage beatings (and the damage that comes with them) and a clear, fairly easily followed blueprint on the table right now... With that in mind, most of the top ten would be 50/50 at best for him, to say nothing of the odd gatekeeper who might put him under pressure (I genuinely don't think Chisora would be far off a 50/50 at this point).
     
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  7. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No way. He might not win a championship again but he will ALWAYS have those elastic genes and KO power. He can KO anyone in the world.

    He'll stick around and make some more big pay days.
     
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  8. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    That devastating loss will have blown his fragile mental state to bits. Not sure how he comes back.
     
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  9. boxingjunky

    boxingjunky Member Full Member

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    Really......after that fight you're going to say he is mentally weak!?
     
  10. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wallin didn’t almost KO him into next week
     
  11. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Sure sure.

    He's been dropped four times by one of the hardest hitters the sport has ever seen, bet he is just aces.
     
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  12. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    You are confusing pride and heart with mental state. He had to take a beating and his corner wouldn’t stop the fight until he was knock the duck out line last night. That was his order. A fight where his team was more concern telling him he was the chosen one and he is the destine one in between every rnd. A fight where they kicked everyone out of the locker and claim it is glove.
     
  13. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Agreed. I know there is much hate for Wilder, but given his limitations, considering how far he was able to go in the sport, knocking down one of the best H2H heavyweights ever 4 times, begs the question, how good or great could Wilder have been if he started boxing at 6 years old. We know he has heart and power. Scary to think what he could have been if he just had the basic fundamentals down.
     
  14. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lets hope so. That is an intriguing matchup and one I feel Wilder has a good shot at winning. In fact I would favor him.
     
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  15. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    He's been horrifically beaten over the course of nineteen rounds and after the first hard Fury punches, in both fights, displayed little to no balance or coordination.

    I personally believe Wilder has a traumatic brain injury as a result of the shots behind the head he takes due to the fact that Wilder turns his head last second as fighters punch him.
     
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