Wilder needs to retire.

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  1. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    Wilder has taken more punishment over the last two fights than any top heavyweight. It’s funny because all of the guys who called Fury feather fisted seemed to have vanished. Fury is a huge man and his punches are deceptively powerful. Ask Wilder!

    Usyk destroys Wilder, even the muscled up version. If they ever meet, he will give Wilder a more thorough boxing lesson than he got from Fury. Fury is a great technical boxer but he fought an undisciplined fight last night. I believe he did it intentionally because he wanted to make a statement against a big mouth opponent and give the fans a show. It worked but he took chances and almost lost as a result. Usyk will stick to the game plan and systematically break Wilder down if they fight. Easy money for Usyk, easier than the AJ fight. I hope Usyk beats AJ and forces Fury to fight him. It will be an interesting technical fight and his toughest challenge. Fury isn’t as technical as Usyk but the immense size difference will be a huge challenge and give Fury an advantage. Still, it would be fun to watch and I hope we can see it while both are prime.

    What is next for Wilder? Tough to say. He’s going to need time to recover from last night’s brutal beat down and I suspect he will overprice himself in the future. Assuming he gets back on the bum train and resumes fighting hand picked no hope opponents, can he find enough chumps to pony up the cash to pay for the privilege to watch him? I doubt it but never underestimate the number of dummies out there willing to pay to watch crap fights. Guys like Tank Davis are making a good living fighting bums and talking trash. It also worked for Wilder for a long time. Look for him to go back to his roots and rack up KOs against bums. It worked once…
     
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  2. UFC2020

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    Unlike AJ, Wilder has shown he is always willing to throw the dice with his right hand. If that lands on Usyk a few times, will Usyk be able to take it?
     
  3. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Let’s also take age in to the equation. He is 36 I believe and been in two brutal fights. Probably won’t fight until 37 or maybe at 38 years of age. Father Time catches up to every fighter and his speed will go down. We have seen this time and time again. History says he has a few paydays left but age says he will be in the ride down from the top now.
     
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  4. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder still has detractors but his bravery and power is there to be seen in abundance. Wilder still has a lot to offer in this Heavyweight division. Just because Fury beat him does not mean anybody else will be able to capitalise on his flaws and be physically tough enough to beat him. There are still some big winnable fights out there for him like Joshua Whyte Usyk Ruiz Joyce Parker. Wilder being a power puncher his confidence is down right now but a little break then matched with say a Helenius or a Kownacki etc and then he’d be able to go back at the top guys. Wilders legacy might have took a knock right now with his losses to Fury and the allegations of cheating but if he was to fight on and beat the rest which he is no doubt capable of it would be good for his legacy as well as even better for him.
     
  5. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    Thats the big question. That right hand isn’t the same after four or five rounds. If Usyk makes it through five rounds, that bomb is defused. Usyk is levels better and the dangerous Wilder right hand (legit) is also telegraphed. Usyk would see it coming and avoid it until Wilder gasses. And he will gas, he does in every fight. There is always a chance Wilder wood land that bomb but Usyk has a chin as well and there is no guarantee it would put him out. He would also make Wilder miss abs make him pay with accurate shots in return. That wears a fighter out and makes him reluctant t to throw shots. Interesting matchup.
     
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  6. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    Its simple, Wilder had no choice. His boxing ability was so weak, his defense so poor, his stamina so shaky, he really had no choice. Wilder couldn’t outbox any top HW. He had that big right hand and fell in love with it, at the expense of developing other tools. In the end, it was his downfall because he was exposed by the first legit HW opponent he faced. AJ didn’t have to rely on one tool. He’s a limited boxer but is levels higher than Wilder and he fought much better opposition than Wilder before the Fury fights. Wilder’s opponents before Fury were mostly cans. They padded his record but did nothing to develop him as a boxer. He was a one trick pony (with a great truck) and that’s not enough to beat the best. Fury proved it three times.
     
  7. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think everyone has to say that Wilder showed massive grit & determination that has to admired, even out on his feet & tbf clueless he still refused to quit Aplus, its something AJ has not equaled...no I am not a Wilder fan but he has made me admire his heart...Out of ring nonsense , rip away from the bloodsuckers , spend time with family & hopefully he can become a normal decent guy but on his latest flouncing he has a fat - ....
     
  8. UFC2020

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    Usyk is not going to have a 50 lb weight advantage. He is not going to bully Wilder in the clinches or push him back. Wilder will have no stamina problems against him and will be able to carry his power into the fight late
     
  9. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    I think he will have stamina problem if he comes in at the same weight and continue to throw bombs. He was missing a very slow Fury last night and Usyk would do the same with faster feet. Fury leaning in him didn’t help but his stamina problem was more than that. All that added muscle wasn’t going to help him win the fight. Throwing all those haymaker didn’t help either. But that is what happens when your only hope is to land that right and nothing else.
     
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    Although Wilder lost, there were some positive takeaways. He scored two knockdowns and he showed a hell of a lot of heart. I think he could still get a few more respectable fights over the next 3 years or so. I can't imagine he'll ever face fury again though. There's nothing left for Fury to prove there, and wilder has now definitively shown that he just doesn't have the skills to beat the man. But it'll be damn interesting to see how the heavyweight division plays out in the next few years. We'll likely see the Usyk vs AJ rematch in the spring, and so who do Fury and Wilder face next? Regardless, hopefully they'll both get (late) spring fights as well, so we might get 3 solid matchups close together, which would be great for the division. And if the boxing gods are kind to us, we may actually see unification next fall.

    An interesting scenario might be if Wilder, knowing fury won't give him a 4th but say he was still too stubborn to retire, somehow throws himself into the AJ/Usyk circle. I have no idea how that would even be possible, but i'd be interested in seeing it.
     
  11. UFC2020

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    He will most likely go down to 211-215 lbs.
     
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  12. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    Wilder has the worst footwork in the division. Usyk would have him out if position swinging at air and paying the price every time he missed. Usyk would attack him from angles and wear him down with constant pressure. Fury has so many openings last night but he chose to clinch when Wilder was not in a position to throw power punches. Usyk doesn’t have the weight abs size but his mobility and inside fighting would give Wilder nightmares. When Wilder gasses, and he always does, Usyk would punish him and expose the holes in his game. He’s a one dimensional fighter with very limited technical skill and stamina. Usyk would have to avoid the big telegraphed right but that’s it. It would be an interesting fight and I’d favor Usyk.
     
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  13. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I don't think golf fans particularly want fights to happen.

    Ice hockey fans on the other hand. . . .
     
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  14. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Wilder has eight kids. Eight.

    He "could" become champion again but it's not guaranteed.

    During the second Fury fight, Wilder turned his head and got hit hard behind the ear. From then on he had no equilibrium and lost. After the hard punch that dropped Wilder last night in the third, his equilibrium was off, more so than it should have been.

    Wilder needs a full medical exam to detail the extent of the damage however that isn't enough...

    Wilder has a bad habit of turning his head when he sees a punch coming which has led him to take shots on or behind the ear and temple. Every single punch he takes behind the ears going forward could be the one that causes immediate permanent injury to his brain.

    He's rich, he has a family and fought his heart out, redeeming himself as much as possible. He is thirty six and will be thirty seven before he fights again... Jesus you people honestly want to see him in a wheelchair or coma?
     
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  15. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I want to see Wilder vs Joyce after Joe beat Ortiz