Wilder not going to Cardiff

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  1. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eddie Hearn rips Wilder in that ifl interview.

    Savage!!
     
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  2. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Not at all. I want to see that fight, but there's others I want to see as well. Povetkin is a better boxer than Wilder for instance and could pose a different challenge. The key point is that in the UK there's not an overwhelming clamour for Wilder or nothing.

    Whether the Wilder Joshau fight takes place ultimately depends on Wilder. If his demands are reasonable Hearn will make the fight. As you say, should he beat Wilder it will allow AJ to unify then shed 2 or more of the belts and reduce the demand from mandatory defences.

    But the leverage, that's firmly with AJ. Time, earning capacity and alternative options are all on his side. So Wilder has a decision to make.
     
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  3. punkasstony

    punkasstony New Member Full Member

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    Wilder wanted to come and push Joshua & Hearn in to a corner, so that they would accept his shitty undeserved terms. Live on TV for the world to see. Hearn & Joshua have basically said you want the fight, you take the cut you deserve. Wilder only wants to fight Joshua for MONEY, that’s it. It’s his big payday and he is determined to do whatever it takes to get a big share. Hearn couldn’t give a rats ass what money Wilder wants, they are doing just fine without him, so they will just plod along until Wilder realises he doesn’t hold any of the aces, and comes crawling back. Because let’s be honest, even a 30% share is more than he has ever made in his life.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The opposite is actually true.

    Assuming he beats Parker Saturday, Joshua will be 28, undefeated with three major titles. And he won't have any failed PED tests on his record (and no one will be surprised the day he pops, will we?).

    If he doesn't unify with Wilder for all the belts NEXT, there's nowhere to go for Joshua but down.

    His mandatories aren't going to elevate him to "even greater heights."

    Getting stripped of titles because he wants to fight Baby Miller isn't going to elevate him.

    If he wins Saturday, this is the moment.

    If he doesn't fight Wilder, there's nowhere for Joshua to go but down.

    And Wilder can keep scoring KOs. And Wilder can keep picking up the same vacant titles that Joshua picked up when they were stripped from Fury. And Wilder can keep getting closer to 50-0.

    The longer the delay, the higher Wilder's price will be.
     
  5. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Even without Wilder, Joshua's got Tyson Fury on the horizon. A local money fight in David Haye. Also some serious prospects moving up at the moment. Joshua-Hrgovic will be a super fight some years from now.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just keep telling yourself that when the Joshua-Fres Oquendo PPV is announced.
     
  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How many belts will Joshua get stripped of if he fights Haye instead of his three mandatories?

    One, two? All three? At what point will keeping a belt or two be more valuable than fighting David Haye?

    Joshua's options ARE REALLY limited after Saturday.

    After Saturday, he can't delay fighting mandatories because he's unifying.
     
  8. Holler

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    Wilder can name any price he likes, he's 4 years older than AJ and even Haymon may struggle to keep him from live bodies indefinitely. One slip and he's done. Sooner or later he either takes a reasonable offer or he'll lose his one piece of leverage.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

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    In a year from now, Wilder can be 43-0 with two belts. (Because Joshua got stripped).

    Two years from now, Wilder could be 46-0 with two or three belts (because Joshua got stripped).

    Wilder's stock isn't going down.

    That's what I'm trying to tell you.

    Joshua gets stripped of a belt, Wilder picks it up, Wilder's price goes up.

    Joshua's negotiating power will never be higher than it is should he win Saturday. And if he BARELY wins Saturday, his negotiating power might even go down.

    Joshua and Hearn think they have the cards and Wilder is at their mercy, but they don't. The orgs are about to raise their ugly heads, and some really bad fights are going to have to be made or Joshua's going to start losing belts.

    And if Wilder has two belts, and Joshua has two, that doesn't benefit Joshua.

    If people stop showing up at the stadiums to watch Joshua fight Charr, that isn't helping Joshua.

    The Wilder-Joshua is the biggest fight in the sport if it happens next.
     
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  10. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joshua doesn't need elevating. His the money man of the division. You want a mega payday you AJ. You want to be called the best in the division you must beat AJ.

    Yes Wilder can continue to fight his bums and get his knock outs but he won't be earning more than he does now, won't be selling out arenas and won't be on ppv.

    Then again that's been Wilder's title reign so why change now.

    Forget to say, hi Dentoy.
     
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  11. Southpawswitch

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    Honestly, the closer Wilder gets to 50-0, the more the greatest of all-time talk is going to spring up(because casuals dksab), deserved or not. His leverage only grows as he knocks out more bums, while Joshua's status hits a ceiling since there's no one in the pipeline besides maybe Fury that can generate the same interest as a Wilder fight.
     
  12. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How the **** can Joshua's negotiation position can go down. You take one look at 80k in attendance and 1 mil plus ppv buys and you have a fighter who calls the shots no matter what.
     
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  13. dinovelvet

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    People like you who say the man has no relevance cannot be taken seriously. Just casual dic riders of personalities , nothing more.
    What exactly are you , a Wilder hater or a Joshua nut rider? You can't be a Joshua fanboy because if you did you'd badly want to see him against Wilder so he can become the first undisputed HW Champ since Lewis.
    But your not pushing for that fight which tells me you know deep down that Hearn is avoiding Wilder but you're to much of a pussified fangirl whose too afraid to go against the trend and admit it.

    Watch Saturday as Joshua and Hearn make no mention of Wilder whatsoever and instead have White give some WWE style call out so Joshua can go off and face some plodder before he declares he has a mandtories to fulfill until the end of 2019. :drooling::icon_writing:
     
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  14. destruction

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    No one has told me why AJ is so great that Wilder should facing his left overs that he ICED when he was still green, and a Whyte who dropped a decision to a shopworn Chisora (who is not even European level).

    You beat a fat tattoed bloke who gave up peds, put on loads of weight and started boxing at aged 30 well done Dildo-illian. Everyone now fears Dildo-Illian I am sure, apart from anyone in the actual top 10 who are dying to fight him.
     
  15. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eddie Hearn acting like a plantation owner. Wilder is tired of the boxing politics game AND Wilder has some leverage, as Eddie wants AJ to be big in America, that's not going to happen without Wilder.

    That's why Eddie is upset but **** him. What's the point of going over there if Wilder is blocked from getting in the ring, and the peasant Whyte thrown in Wilder's face like Bellew was last time? AJ don't want no smoke so it's time to move on and it'll be easy to do so.