Wilder on why AJ fight isn't happening

Yep, they did this when I posted time-stamped videos of Barry Hearn.

At first they didn't exist apparently then the excuses started in earnest.

He didn't mean what he said, I had the wrong context, he wasn't in charge, he said "two years" with a different inflection to normal, what he really meant was this etc.

It was amusing to see posters trying to weasel their way out of that one and a good insight into someone's character.

If someone posted a video of either Warren or Finkel stating they had no intention of fighting Joshua for another few years, I would happily admit either they and their fighters were ducking.

 

So will his opponent. Also AJ will be risking far more than they are.

Indeed. However the percentage raise in each fighters fee will be very uneven with Wilder or Fury enjoying a massive hike whilst AJ may not be earning much more in relative terms, despite higher risk and far better alternative earning options available to him.

As I said above, much of this conversation depends on how you choose to view each protagonist and the way boxing works as both sport and business. Should the pressure be on AJ to pay these guys what they're demanding or on the challengers who are getting the chance to win three belts in one fight to accept that as the A side AJ gets to dictate terms? Does AJ deserve more because he brings more to the table or should boxing at the highest level be 50/50 because each guy is risking their health in the ring? etc etc.

Each of us have their own answers to these questions. For me, when Hearn was insisting on a flat fee for Wilder that was excessively harsh on the leading US HW of his generation and the longest holding belt holder. On the other hand once Hearn was offering more than 30% for a fight where AJ brought 3 (4 if the IBO is counted) belts as well as the proven drawing power then the pressure should've been back with Wilder.

That's in part because although I like Wilder on an individual level I don't like the way he's been managed and how he's in my view devalued the belt he holds due to the succession of sub standard opponents he's fought. Everyone that overlooks this I believe is doing boxing a disservice, it's one of the main reasons boxing in the US has declined so much. I don't think that behaviour should be rewarded because in doing so it justifies and encourages it. The guy that took the bigger risks earlier in his career deserves to be in the box seat at this point and I don't have a problem with the purse or location reflecting that.

 

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Is Barry denying being a part of Joshua's career in this?

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I seem to recall you were rather selective in your quoting of Barry Hearn and that was the reason why people were picking you up on it. From memory you weren't mentioning BH saying 'it's not my call IF IT WERE I would say...' perhaps because you forgot or maybe because it didn't support the inferences you wished to draw?

Of course I could be mistaken in that

 

I seem to recall you agreeing to admit that Joshua was a mallard if I posted up a timestamped video of Barry Hearn stating Wilder was planned for two years away and that "the plan" was about a lucrative career fighting carefully selected opponents.

You seem to be confused as to what "selective" means in this regards. I posted an unedited video which captures the beginning, middle and end of a conversation and what prompted it beforehand so I'm not quite 100% on how that fits the definition of selective but I'm sure you can enlighten me. What you actually mean is that what I stated holds no water as Barry claims to not have any influence in "the plan".

Slightly inconvenient giving the youtube video I just posted and have tagged you in above where Barry Hearn yet again spells it out, only this time, he makes no claims to being unlinked to the Joshua strategy.

 

“These people are not honest boxing fans, just casuals” the irony. The people that justify Wilder are the ones who only see what they want.

 

It's very kind of you to tell me what I actually mean. It's bollocks of course, but kind nonetheless.

 

To say there are no parallels to be drawn is ridiculous, both are/were the cash cows of the game, if not least their respective divisions.

Would you dispute that he has the best resume of any active heavyweight? If the answer is ‘yes’ then you clearly have a biase against AJ. Wlad, Povetkin, Parker and Whyte, paper champion?

For the record I’d like to see him give a little more to get the fights over the line, however I can see from a business perspective why he wouldn’t want to. He’s took risks to get to where he is now, sacrificing short term paydays for long term rewards so would expect others to do the same

 

Good interview. This seems to make the bid-offer situation clear. Wilder wants 50-50, Joshua's offer is 60-40 (according to EH) . That's why the fight isn't happening. Fury seems to be saying the same thing "50-50 please Joshua".

So it appears we are going to get Wilder - Fury II; Joshua is forced into a less interesting fight by holding out for the big cut.
I don't think you can call that a duck by either Wilder or Fury, they are taking an unpredictable risky fight.

The winner of WF II can probably demand 50-50 from Joshua and will get a lot of people on their side with that request, Joshua is already under pressure to move, that pressure will increase when we have a winner between Wilder and Fury.

Here's hoping it's not a draw this time and we get a conclusion!

 

Been on the couch for 3 years? That was his 3rd lmao you ****ing ****. Why do Wilder haters just make **** up.

 

Probably one of Barry Hearn's most incredible achievements, right here... making Frank Warren appear honest, open and trustworthy.

 

Reiss was spot on. Didn't break a single rule

 

That has absolutely nothing to do with your first comment. You said you would be fine with Fury dying in the ring.

You need to check yourself.

 

That would of been brilliant. That would of helped maybe make a fight. You make it seem that that would be going to the extreme. But that is what you are meant to do if you want to make a fight.

Alas they chose not to do that, they chose to withhold the contract and refused to either put it on a table or put themselves at a table and discuss the deal and they gave the other side 24 hours to accept.

Oh im wasting my time she has been banned again. I wonder if it was for wanting Anthony Joshua to die?

 

Glad he’s gone, obvious troll. Just one sided drivel.