Wilder refuses 4.5 million offer to fight Dillian Whyte

1) Wilder signed to fight Povetkin for a lot less than $10M. Then PEDs-r-Us(sia) boy failed one test and then another, yada yada yada.

2) Link to this alleged $10M offer, please? Near as I can tell, it was a one-off on a website that no longer exists, something like boxering.com or some such. No credibility whatsoever. Maybe the Russian promoter claimed it, but I don't think anyone else ever picked up on the report so it's dubious at best.

If Hearn can invest, presumably, somewhere in the $7-8M range for Wilder-Whyte (purses plus step-aside and other promotional expenses), he will be able to invest more than double that in Wilder-Joshua. So go ahead and pay Wlad step-aside $$$ and make THAT fight now if he's serious.

But as I posted before, this is all about an offer to Wilder that includes Hearn having options to promote a number of his future defenses, which would allow him to lowball Wilder for a Joshua unification. Clever ploy, but Wilder and Haymon ain't biting.

 

I can't believe grown men are sat here discussing the finances of a joke HW. Like any of u will see it anyway.. I'd understand it Wilder was getting low balled (he's worth more than a tenner sure) and it was a noteworthy fight and u felt him justly aggrieved but wanting a kings ransom to fight nightclub bouncer deserves nothing more than a disdain post & a laughing emoji

Bunch of wrong uns on here. Get a job and a wife lol

 

This is a damn shame isn't it, lmao. This is how most of the Brits look at this situation because they're scared to see Wilder/Joshua, lmao.

 

What reason would you give a fair hearing to other than some variation on "he's scared"? This is just another circle jerk kicked off with a rhetorical question.

 

We don't mind the fight being built, but it won't be Hearn and Joshua's way unless of doing it unless Haymon, Breland and Wilder all agree to it.

 

Actually, AJ don't care who he fights. It's Hearn that's making the decisions and he wants to milk it as much as possible. I can understand that because it's business but don't try and put your fingers or call any shots for fighters over here cause that's called meddling in OPB.

 

The website still exists and is very credible. It's called BoxeRingWeb (not sure if I'm allowed to put a link here, but you can always use Google) and it's the leading Italian boxing news portal.

Anyway, Hearn doesn't need to "invest". He offered Wilder 3x more than his career high payday. It is Deontay who is so delusional that he believes that earning $1 million dollars per fight somehow means that he can dictate terms to Matchroom.

 

Unless unless?

Calm down Blizzy, whenever you type BS you start to vibrate uncontrollably and thus make a forum fool of yourself.

You weasel.

 

I hit the only link I could find to that story and got a 404 -- it doesn't exist. They probably withdrew it. You think every boxing outlet in the world wouldn't have their own story if Povetkin's team had truly offered $10M and it was turned down? But only this one obscure website that deleted the story "had it." Right.

And as I said, it's completely moot. Wilder DID sign to fight Povetkin for LESS than that. Then PED-boy swallowed too much illegal substances and the fight didn't happen.

Yes, giving away rights to Hearn to promote his future defenses for a little more money on the first fight would be bad business long-term.


Wilder will be able to better dictate terms for an AJ fight if he hasn't signed a contract that gives Hearn the right to promote future defenses.

It's business 101.

You and others keep saying "Wilder isn't known in the UK, he has no fan base." Yet Hearn is willing to offer more than triple the market to promote him? Sure, because he wants the options on Wilder's future fights so he can cut a better deal for himself for a Joshua fight. He's willing to spent more up front for a Whyte fight to get those options -- good business move on his part if he was able to pull it off, but bad business for Wilder, which is why his team is playing hardball.

And, AGAIN, Wilder can't take that fight and not fight Stiverne, his mandatory. Everyone knows this. The English promoter. Whyte. Wilder. Stiverne. Haymon. My brother. You. Everyone.

If there's a unification fight, it can trump a mandatory. But a fight with Whyte cannot. So what's the point?

 

What terms was he dictating?

 

Probably because Hearn has already said he wants the biggest fights for AJ.
Like it or not Joshua rematching Wlad after a FOTY candidate is a bigger fight than Joshua fighting someone most of the UK have never heard of and is renowned for fighting bums.

Build the Wilder fight while AJ takes care of Wlad in the rematch and his mando. Let Wilder fight his mando Stiverne and then fight Whyte or another big name to generate interest.

As much as i want to see Joshua v Wilder i must admit i will be nowhere near as excited as i was in the build up to Joshua v Klitschko.

Klitschkos reputation over the last ten years made and the unknown ability of Joshua to mix it at the Top Level made that fight interesting.
The most interesting thing about Joshua v Wilder is the word "Unification" and even then, its a smaller fight than rematching Klitschko.

You only have to take a look at Wilders crowds, opponents and paydays to know that he has nowhere near the same support base as AJ. If he fights Whyte and beats him, people will take more notice, he might gain some fans, build interest in the fight and make it more sellable.

 

To cash out it would seem he does need Joshua. He cant even sell out in his hometown after nearly 40 fights. There has to be a reason for it. Its not like hes a boring fighter with no personality.

His knockout rate is exceptional and he seems to talk a good game from what i have seen of him. He should be popular. Theres got to be a reason he isnt??

What makes him so unliked and unable to make decent money compared to the other top HW's??

His level of opposition and lack of desire to fight anyone that has a relative chance of beating him.
I know Joshua has only fought one TOP heavyweight but he has had 50% of the fights Wilder has. Wilder should be fighting the top guys consistently at this stage in his career. No matter what way you dress it up, a fight between Wilder and AJ needs to be more sellable than it is now to be classed a megafight. AJ's profile is monumental in the UK and IF he rematches Wlad in Vegas, then his profile is raised further in the states.

So that would mean Joshua = Massive Name in Boxing, sells out arenas.
Wilder = Largely unknown and criticised by many fans, cant sell out his hometown.

Doesnt matter how you dress it up, Wilder has to raise his profile for this to be the big event everyone wants it to be.

 

What exactly would we be scared of lol? Watching Wilders last couple of fights against Joshuas last couple there is nothing to be scared of.
Theres that and, i cant speak for all brits obviously. But personally i would rather watch a fight im a fan of fight someone who actually could beat him than watching a fight that i know there is only one possible winner.
Fighters who duck genuine challenges to fight bums so they can make sure they dont risk losing are tragic. AJ is fighting Wlad (Nearly Lost), going straight back to do it again (Should win but could lose), then Pulev (Mando), then potentially Fury/Wilder/Parker (Fury imo beats AJ if he gets in top shame/form, but AJ wants Fury, i believe he would mop the floor with Wilder but who knows, and he should beat Parker). But everyone Joshua is fighting now he has mixed it at top level is a threat.

Wilder has been fighting people he konws he cant really lose to.

 

38 fights and still no-one knows who he is. Wake me up when he actually fights someone. Until then he can keep collecting $1m for fighting cans in his backyard. AJ will pack stadiums and command $10m + paydays with or without Wilder. Deal with that.