Wilder retires if...

Fair point, but I still think that was more a case of a fairly unusual shot causing Joshua problems than anything else. Put it this way; I don’t think Ruiz or anyone would go into a fight with landing that sort of shot as the game plan. If it happens - great, but more conventional ways of stopping people are way more commonplace.

Could Fury stop Wilder? Yes. Do I think he will or do I think he’ll even really try to unless Wilder is somehow in very serious bother? No.

 

Furys not a massive one punch banger no, but I feel that is much to do with the way he fights as his natural power not being great. Anyone dancing round on their toes and flicking punches for points will massively reduce their power. The only time when fury planted his feet and exchanged (ironically just after he was nearly koed in that 12th) he hurt wilder and backed him up.

Wilder is more dangerous with power from the outside/midrange so being inside and on his chest could be just as safe as being on the outside, obviously the big danger in that would be getting into that inside range! I don't think fury will plant his feet and go there till he gets hurt though, when hes hurt he fights back often. Got splinters in me arse but cant pick a winner can see cases for both winning in different ways, namely wilder ko or fury points. Would love fury to do it any method though!

 

Can Fury stop Wilder - Yes
Can Fury outbox Wilder - Yes
Can Wilder stop Fury - Yes
Can Wilder outbox Fury - No

 

He wasn't out of sorts in any way
He just just beat badly

Odd observation by the former head of the BBC there

 

If so I stand corrected. Can't remember the weigh in tbh.

John Fury's recent comments about Fury hitting harder when he's heavier got me thinking and I googled several of his weigh in figures for stoppage wins. I noticed a pattern of stoppages when he weighs above 260, Chisora 2 included. I hadn't made the connection before.

 

Fair to say he was close to 260.

 

Just to pick up on this supposed 'heavier = harder hitting' version of Fury that you seem to think exists:

Fury has had thirty fights. In ten of those he weighed in at more than 260.

However, six of those fights were nine years ago or more. There really is very little relevant comparison to the Fury of today and the Fury of then. Just as you'd point out that the Fury who fought John McDermott and clearly lost shouldn't be held up as the example for why Wilder might beat him, likewise you can't really say Fury's power above 260 is a worthwhile statistic if you're suggesting fights against Marcelo Nascimento and Bela Gyongyosi are evidence of it.

So what of his more recent 'heavy' fights? Well Joey Abell and Sefer Seferi are clearly pointless joke fights that shouldn't really be considered. Which leaves us with Schwarz (widely considered a total mismatch) and the second Chisora fight, which in itself is now more than five years ago. And that's it. There's so little information to go on that it's essentially meaningless.

Ultimately there's little evidence to suggest Tyson is any sort of big puncher however you want to cut it. A heavier more flat footed Fury is just more likely to be a more static target for Wilder than he is to represent a punching threat. I think you're looking for something that isn't really there to be honest.