Wilder-Ruiz is a comical mismatch

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Nov 7, 2022.


  1. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Toney was another guy with weight issue.

    This is last post I’ll respond to this stupidity. A tiny bit of fat added to your face is not going to stop you from getting ktfo. If that was the case we would see heavy weight champs that look like sumo. This is not the case cause fat does not do **** for punch resistance. It’s even more stupid to think coming in heavy is a good idea against Wilder to absorb his punches which you already said is a far gone conclusion that he will get stopped by Wilder. So his best option then is to be quicker and not a fat plodding blob for Wilder to tee of on.
     
  2. Joe Davies

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    Fair point regarding attributes but in principal, distracting Wilder's right hand to get inside, then beating him up on the inside is what I was referring to. You don't need the size or reach advantage to do that but it helps. Saying that, there are only a few fighters in the division that might be capable, Ruiz I don't believe is one of them.

    I can't believe that's true yet it is. Goes to show how much Wilder's power has done for him.

    Also...WTF is up with people talking about child transgender-ism and pedophilia in a boxing forum...are these guys concussed or something?
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    He's a strange one that's for sure.
     
  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  5. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    Not to argue with you, in a big way I agree - you can't do much when twisted people deviates their own children. Just let that deviation rot the society and eventually kill itself. I just want to point out that yes - you do your job as a math teacher and you don't enforce your political views on the children, but here comes the unfair part - they do enforce political views on you.
     
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  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Absolutely. My daughter ever says to me she thinks she's a guy, I'm just gonna tell her she isn't. She's a girl.

    When I was younger we had tomboys, girls who played football etc, we didn't have girls claiming to be boys, and everyone having to call them boys.

    But like I say, I'm just there to teach and if there is a girl who now identifies as a boy and wants be called his/him it's my job to go along with it.
     
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  7. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    When his best win is a mismatch it doesn't say much for his cv.
     
  8. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Children tend to say such things when they're small, often play with "the toys for the opposite sex" (to be honest, the ones destined for girls are often more shiny and color-attractive for both boys and girls and this attracts them all, also there aren't really "toys for girls" and "toys for boys" until a certain age). But softly pushing them to believe it is the crime here. I also remember two sisters who used to play football along with the boys, weren't good looking at all, but are normal and married, one is a local team trainer.

    I think that if this goes the way it does now, it won't be long before having mostly LGBTQIA-whatever teachers who do everything, but what they're supposed to, as it's well known that whatever they're supposed to teach in school, they focus on them and others from that abbreviation.

    As one can define people as ignorant and being haters, I can easily define them as normal or not normal, as some can define themselves as something they're not.

    A person should not bother the others about his sexuality - something that is supposed to be personal, intimate. Also, no one is obliged to "accept" a gay person - what that "obligation" even means if he's not expressing any hate or agression towards them? He owns them nothing more than that. I do not require other people to "accept" me as long as we live in peace and no one is a criminal, they're otherwise absolutely free not to like me and it's fine. It's not like the deviated ones accept the reality of two sexes. A trans person has brain structure is similar to the one of the opposite sex, so yes - something is wrong with those people, I don't mock them, they need professional help. Not to mention how many of them now respond too negative to the sex reassignment surgery. A lot of groups suffer some dislike in society - punks, sectes, you can think of some yourself, so why is only the sex-oriented ones getting that attention, they're like more important, better or what?

    If you feel shame for what you are, then it is your problem, not the society's. It's the majority that defines the world a nation lives in, not the minority. There were times not so long ago when people respected the homosexuals more as they were more respectable.

    I wrote it on another similar topic - how about refer to me as Great, it's how I feel I am? I just feel great, denying me that harms me and is insulting and it doesn't bother anyone to call me that, right?

    If one feels like a superhero, a magician or whatever he often gets treatment, but if one says he's the opposite sex or a third/fourth/etc. non-existing one - this is to be "honored"? Yeah, modern "open-minded" philosophy, just cheap.

    Arguing over that can go endless and being on a completely different topic, I think of stopping it here. In any way the deviation supportes play it like very open-minded or like the non-supporters being not open-minded and even archaic, so I prefer let them be what they delude themselves. Such people started floating not for the first time when a civilization is dying.
     
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  9. Redbeard7

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    I don't see Ruiz getting inside on Wilder with any frequency and when he does I don't see him having that much success: Stiverne, Arreola and Ortiz weren't able to do much when they got inside, Wilder knows how to keep himself out of trouble against shorter men up close. @kirk was correct in my view when he said "this is as easy or hard as Wilder makes it". Wilder's got all of the attributes (length, speed, timing, power, toughness, engine, determination, experience etc.) required to make easy work of Ruiz. I regard people who give Ruiz a good chance of outboxing Wilder as not understanding what they're been watching when they've seen Wilder fight.

    Ruiz might be Wilder's best win on paper because he demolished Joshua in 7, navigated his way to a close 12 round decision over Ortiz 4.5 years and 2 KO defeats post-Wilder 1 and has 3 world title fights. But he's not as good as the 38 year old 30-0 Ortiz that Wilder beat and may not be as good as WBC titlist Stiverne (though Ruiz is more skilled on the front foot). Puritty beat a young Wlad in a huge upset but lost to several guys that Wlad beat, it didn't make Puritty an elite fighter or a great scalp to have on your record. If Wilder beats Ruiz I won't give him much credit as Ruiz is stylistically overmatched, though knocking Ruiz out would be moderately impressive as he's very durable.

    Ruiz will probably look absolutely terrible against Wilder and people will be saying "Ruiz is shot/came in out of shape" or "Ruiz was never that good" or both. Many thought that Helenius was one of Wilder's best opponents prior to KO1, now most probably rate him below Szpilka and Washington. Many on this forum have an ideological position that Wilder is a bum, so if Wilder beats someone who many give a chance of beating him then that opponent becomes an even bigger bum overnight, bummier than guys who gave Wilder more of a test.

    I don't have any respect for that child transgenderism apologist, I regard him as being a spineless pos at best so I don't have any reason to be civil when he comes around to troll.
     
  10. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder's best win is 28-0, 2 NC's Ortiz, who gave him a good fight, who 4.5 years and 2 KO defeats later lost a close/controversial decision to Ruiz. Stiverne 1 also may well be better than Ruiz judging from the respective Arreola performances.

    Ruiz destroyed Joshua as McCall and Rahman destroyed Lewis and Puritty, Sanders and Brewster destroyed Wlad but that didn't make these fringe contenders elite fighters. This kind of thing can happen, especially at heavyweight. Ruiz is a solid fringe contender but he's stylistically and otherwise overmatched here.
     
  11. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Toney had no problem losing massive amounts of weight very late into his career to fight at 200 and as a younger but mature man he was cutting to make 160. The idea that there was nothing tactical about his decision to consistently come in around 230 against Booker, Ruiz, Guinn, Rahman x2 and Peter x2 is absurd, especially as he went on to cut huge amounts of weight against lesser opponents after that.

    "If that was the case we would see heavy weight champs that look like sumo"

    We have: Andy Ruiz, among many other less fat but still fat/chubby heavyweight champs. The benefits of fat don't always make up for the obvious downsides, such as reduced speed, especially of foot, more pressure on the cardiovascular system and less agility. However, fat doesn't rigidify you or drain the cardio as much as being overmuscled and fat is easier to put on than muscle, so there's less of an injury risk and more time for boxing. And Andy Ruiz is not a natural heavyweight or naturally fleet of foot: like James Toney he NEEDS a lot of fat to have a chance of being competitive with much naturally bigger men. There is a limit of course, as he found at 284 against Joshua in the rematch, though he still did the 12 rounds.

    It's all academic anyway: Ruiz is not going to lose 50 lbs and radically alter his style for the first time ever as you seem to be advocating. If he came in at a career lightest weight in the low-mid 240's even I'd be shocked beyond belief. He'll come in at the same weight as he was against Joshua 1 and Ortiz, 265-270, where he feels strongest and most durable.
     
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  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Wilder isn’t good enough for this to be classed as a comical mismatch."

    You're going to be eating your words here lol.
     
  13. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruiz was tentative against old man Ortiz. He can't do that against Wilder or he'll either lose a lopsided decision or get KO'd.

    I wonder if the money ruined Ruiz? Like he is now afraid to take risks because he can always retire from the sport since he's made millions. He wasn't like that before his first fight with AJ.

    I guess I'll go with Wilder by decision in a boring affair, unless Ruiz is aggressive in which case I'd give him a shot at KO'ing Wilder.
     
  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On the other hand, when has Ruiz really looked good aside from Joshua 1? His performances against Liakhovich, Kevin Johnson, Franklin Lawrence and co. didn't give us much indication that he'd be bouncing AJ all over the canvas.
     
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  15. 40ozoe

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    I kinda feel like the blueprint for Ruiz beating Wilder is well established. Szpilka who is just a cruiserweight held his own vs Wilder for how many rounds before getting hit by a good shot. Ruiz can do what Szpilka did atleast 2.5 times better. This being said so can Ortiz so what happened in those three fights (AS, LO I and II) is sort of a mystery that will be interesting to see answered vs Ruiz.