Wilder says he's a Hall of Famer.

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  1. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Arturo Gatti is in the HOF
     
  2. cuchulain

    cuchulain Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This.

    He's not there yet, but he could et there.
     
  3. willcross

    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Frank Warren will bribe them to put Wilder in. Then he can say Fury beat 2 hall of famers
     
  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Fury did.

    Between them, Wlad and Wilder made 33 successful Heavyweight title defenses.

    It's ridiculous.

    Wlad, Vitali and Wilder were the dominant heavyweight champions during the first 20 years of this century

    If Fury had beaten Vitali, too, you could make an argument he deserves the #1 spot all time.
     
  5. Johnny1987

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    He went life and death with Fury who everyone here say’s is amazing, so why not? He left it all in the ring, more than what 99% of the ‘great’ welterweights and lightweights of today are willing to do. He makes it
     
  6. thurmanthegoat1

    thurmanthegoat1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Its the hall of fame ,not the hall of achievement.

    Because wilder isn't close to getting in if its about achievement. Only uysk and fury would have the resume to make it out of the current heavyweights.

    But he is american so that makes it easier for him. If he was crushing cans in someone unknown country this would be laughable .but the bar is lower for americans.

    It depends what he does now. If he wins a title back and defense it a few times then they will put him in because he is american. But he will not have deserved it based on acheivement.

    Now if wilder has say 4-5 more fights and gets sparked out in the majority of them against below elite opposition then I don't think he makes it in regardless. His resume is **** poor and he is mainly known for getting battered by fury
    A few more losses and I think that's what people will remember him for. A can crushing protected hype job with power
     
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  7. Jpreisser

    Jpreisser Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why not? The totals of Ottke (21), Calderon (18), Wonjongkam (17), John (17), Michalczewski (14), Vazquez (14), Serrano (13), Bungu (13), Moon (11), Hernandez (11), Roman (11), Rosi (11), Chitalada (10), Maske (10), Arbachakov (9), and Laciar (9) have all been ignored. And unlike Wilder, most of these men were genuine Champions, not merely belt-holders.

    Most HOF voters are smart enough to know that the context of your wins and losses are more important than face-value statistics. By and large these guys are assuming that they are voting in the most qualified candidates, not merely those with glossy records. So the depth of Wilder's CV is pertinent to the question of whether he belongs. That means he has to compete with the rest of the field then--Lockridge, R. Marquez, Taylor, Benn, Eubank, etc. What exactly makes Deontay standout?
     
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  8. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He will be put in there for his bronze medal and his joke wbc title defenses.
     
  9. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    What’s his best win? Ortiz Breazeale? That’s not hall of fame material.
     
  10. bandeedo

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    he has never been the man. if the wbc has a hof he deserves to be in there. but he never moved beyond defending a trinket against b and c leel fighters. if he deserves to be in there, then nobody who has ever worn a world strap deserves to be excluded.
     
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  11. cuchulain

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    I'm a fan of Fury, but prime for prime, Vitali beats him.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    Most HOF voters ARE smart enough to know the context of the wins.

    That's why EVERY heavyweight with 10 successful title defenses or more is in the Hall of Fame ... as will Wilder ... and freaking 105 pounders with a bunch of defenses aren't.

    Because they understand the context.

    Ever been to an actual boxing match and sat ringside and watched 105 pound boxers compete? Seriously? You can't even see them. The ropes block everything. They're too small. It's not an exaggeration. It's true. They look like eight-year-olds. Nobody's shaking in their boots, regardless of how many minimumweight defenses they have, when they slip out of the ring under the bottom rope after wacking each other with giant pillows on.

    On the flip side, I was in an arena when Andrew Golota, who never won any titles, was in his street clothes walking through the arena, and people "got the hell out of his way." He was intimidating in person.

    You might laugh, but see them in person. You realize how MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE it is destroying a huge heavyweight compared to outslapping some 105 pound grown man for 12 rounds.

    It just is.

    Ever sat ringside for a heavyweight championship fight? Ever heard some heavyweight knock a guy cold? It takes people's breath away.

    Go to a fight. Things become a lot clearer when you actually sit in the building next to the ring and watch the fights. TV makes all those dwarfs look the same size as everyone else. You don't notice their size until the referee comes to break them up and they come up to his armpits.

    Most Hall of Fame voters have been to live fights. It's an eye opener.

    Here's what a couple of guys who go to a lot of boxing and UFC fights live said about being in the arena when Wilder wasted Breazeale - who, I might add, outweighed Wilder by 32 pounds! You don't need to watch the whole thing. It's just the first minute or two.

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    What fans on this board who don't go to fights and others also CONSISTENTLY overlook about Wilder was how much weight he gave up when he was defending the WBC heavyweight title. The man he beat for the belt outweighed him by 20 pounds. Most of his defenses came against WBC contenders who outweighed him by anywhere from 20 to 40 pounds. When he lost his title for Fury, Tyson outweighed him by 41 pounds.

    Wlad didn't give up 20 to 40 pounds to everyone he fought in title fights. Foreman didn't give up 20 to 40 pounds. Fury doesn't.

    AND NO ONE you listed above did, that's for damn sure.

    Wilder never outweighed anyone in a title defense. NO ONE. Wilder hasn't outweighed an opponent in 10 years. And he was still blasting them out.

    And nearly all the guys you named couldn't win anything outside their tiny little division or beat anyone who weighed a five pounds or so more than them. And most of them couldn't even stop the guys they were beating. Serrano (57 fights/17 knockouts). Calderon (39 fights/ 6 Knockouts). Rosi (70 fights / 18 knockouts). Ottke (34 fights/ 6 KOs).

    That's why winning and holding the heavyweight title for half a decade and demolishing guys who are significantly heavier than you means more than "dominating" from freaking 105 to 108 pounds, for God's sake. How many grown men weigh 105 pounds to begin with?

    And, lastly, Gianfranco Rosi? :rolleyes:
     
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  13. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The best fighter he beat was an old journeyman in Ortiz. Inflated record. No Deontay, you got a ways to go.
     
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  14. Jacques81

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    His best win is either Duhapas or Ortiz.

    C'mon man!! Lol
     
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  15. UnleashtheFURY

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    French Pastry Chef and a geriatric Cuban with heart problems.
     
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