Wilder to be Ringside for Fury/Whyte

Is Fury the best in the division in your view?

If that is the case, Wilder fought him 3 times - there are not many better for Wilder to have on his resume....

 

He'll just fall back on his tiresome and intellectually dishonest 'Luis Ortiz is a career gatekeeper' schtick, which I already thoroughly deconstructed some months ago. Guy has zero capacity for open, evenhanded appraisal where it concerns Wilder.

 

Exactly.

Look some guys are always the last person to cross the finish line. He'll figure it out eventually.

Fighting the best fighter in the whole sport three times in world heavyweight title fights, dropping that fighter four times, and successfully defending your title against him once is "kinda" different than fighting guys like Lucas Browne, Mariusz Wach and Robert Helenius ... as Dillian Whyte will find out himself on Saturday.

Not the same at all.

 

"No, my view of Whyte and Wilders records wouldn't really change"

I thought not.

"a Bryant Jennings that didn't look like he wanted to win, if you ask me."

That's rich when you hype up *Joseph Parker* in the same sentence; a man who has shown pitifully little will to win and KO's no one of note, not even *Cojanu* over 12 in NZ who Ortiz obliterated in 2. You can say Jennings fought the wrong fight but he was 6th ranked, took Wlad the full 12 and won 2/3 rounds in his previous fight and years later went life and death with current "top 10" contender Joe Joyce in Britain. Ortiz outboxed and destroyed the previously un-KO'd Jennings, who if you watch the end of the fight was extremely upset to lose. And the rest of Ortiz's wins were either within the distance (91%) or schoolings where Ortiz didn't lose a round, barring Martin when Ortiz was shot at an official 42.75, virtually 25 months inactive and having suffered multiple heavy KD's and KO's from Wilder but still managed to essentially end the fight with one punch. It goes without saying that the 4 years younger, undefeated, never knocked down and relatively active version of Ortiz who Wilder fought the first time was vastly more formidable.

 

Will Telli can over aswell?

ATG boxing WAG.

 

Finkel?
Is this a business visit then?

 

You know what, I'm done listening to hypocritical fanboys who make laughable claims of "not listening to evidence" whilst they ride blinkered through any neutral minded opinion.

I left this place before because it got tiresome, I guess I'll give it one more go with "ignore", would be a pity to leave when there are a number of interesting posters but good God there are some proper dogmatic children too.

 

What a vagina.

('Luis Ortiz is a career gatekeeper' is such an eminently reasonable, "neutral minded opinion", after all.)

 

The mental gymnastics it requires to regard Parker and Chisora as top contenders (who you do well to beat by an A-side SD) but top 5 Ring ranked big punchers in Ortiz and Stiverne as gatekeepers are very impressive. It's also impressive that someone can regard losing to Tyson Fury as being an "exposure" (especially when 2/3 of the fights were wars where a total of 10 KD's were exchanged) but getting sparked by a green AJ and a shot Povetkin are completely forgivable little hiccups in an otherwise very good career.

A lot of people get wedded to narratives and they can't adjust when reality reveals those narratives to be false.

 

You do realise you're talking to NEETzschean, right?

 

Arent Aj aad Usyk also there?

 

I think his position on Wilder is generally misunderstood, though it seems to me that those who take greatest exception to it typically have big axes to grind where the Bronze Bomber is concerned, and that it is for their increasing vexation (and his own amusement) that he couches said position in a certain arch rhetoric.

There are things he and I would quite firmly disagree about, but I've always found him a solid poster. I can say exactly the same of you.

 

"Wilder will forever remain the turd in the British heavyweight punch bowl."

I give Wilder a lot of credit but until he beats a British heavyweight not named Audley Harrison, this distinction surely has to go to Usyk, then Ruiz, then Povetkin.

 

The years from 2015 to 2022 have been the most successful era for British heavyweights in the last 140 years, but Wilder has been the thorn in the British fans sides the entire run.

* Wilder is blamed for Dillian Whyte not getting a WBC Title shot for years.

* Wilder is blamed for not unifying all the belts against Joshua for years, preventing Joshua from achieving his goal of winning all four belts.

* Wilder is blamed for flooring Fury twice and successfully defending the WBC title against him, ending Fury's storybook comeback.in 2018.

* Wilder is blamed for blocking the Fury-Joshua unification, after Hearn, Arum and the fighters all began to celebrate the big news ... when Wilder took Fury to an arbitrator and forced a third fight.

The others (Ruiz, Povetkin, Usyk) only mucked things up for a couple months before they were gone.

Now, Fury and Whyte are fighting, and Wilder will be on hand pointing out he's the WBC #1 contender.

The winner Saturday will have to fight Wilder again by next April. The longer Joshua-Usyk II gets pushed back, the less chance Fury or Whyte will have to make any more than one defense before Wilder is up again.

If not for Wilder, the Brits basically would've had this era all to themselves.

But he put the kibosh on that over and over and over again.