Wilder v Fury II

Well they need to get a move on with this master plan of there's...all I hear is a lot of talking. Couldn't care less if they fight in Timbuktu they need to get that contract signed.

 

All parties have stated contracts are signed. In the meantime Wilder is fighting Ortiz on Saturday.

 

Well hopefully once Wilder ktfo of Ortiz then we will know more.

 

It can't happen like that. Wilder will need a few weeks recovery before the new camp which he'd have to start more or less on New Year's Day* which gives him not enough weeks. Ain't no way, no how and if Ben Davison himself is shrugging when asked, then it's not a done deal.

* far less than a normal 10 week camp.

 

The date is obviously flexible. This is boxing. However, they must face each other next if Wilder wins.

 

That's fair enough, but anyone expecting Wilder to come out of camp, beat Ortiz and go straight into a new camp for Fury in February is going to be disappointed. They cannot fight in Feb, unless Wilder thinks Fury is such a soft touch that he will risk normal training routines.

The point being that Fury is stating February in every interview.

 

It seems to be a date that was agreed. However, I think Wilder/Ortiz 2 got delayed for some reason. I expect Fury/Wilder 2 in March or April the latest.

 

Perhaps. But it leaves the door on the US PPV market closed for Wilder and Fury going forward. A door they so desperately want to open.

 

Would be more reasonable, yes.

 

The problem with this is that no matter how many times you say it, the first fight did very, very average business for an American undefeated heavyweight champion v undefeated heavyweight champion. It just did and I’m not going to waste any time considering that business was actually decent. It wasn’t.

Since then Wilder has had a one round blowout and is about to have a rematch against an old man. He’s hardly come out cementing himself as a draw. Meanwhile poor old Tyson has spent a year in Vegas demonstrating just how unpopular he is by fighting in empty venues whilst his tickets remain so unpopular they literally cannot be given away.

So what’s the goal. Turn these two into American superstars after so many fights which did average to terrible business? Or taking the Saudi cash? If the latter is on the table, they’ll take it.

 

Your motivation to repeat the same stuff every day is incredible.

Regular American PPV fights is the goal for each team, obviously. Neither you nor I have to worry about whether or not they reach said goal. So why do you care? It's obvious to see what the teams are attempting. Perhaps enough Saudi money would sway them but I personally don't see it.

And I'll repeat (I must be mad) that Wilder/Fury 1 made 25+ million dollars in PPV money. If you think that's very average business, fair enough Tony.

An American PPV's is worth almost treble what a UK PPV is worth. The irony is that Wilder/Fury 1 done better business than most Sky PPV's have ever done.

 

Tony Hayers on another daily Fury pasting session - he should really have that tommy tank and get it out of the system

 

They can want American PPV's all they like, but what are the chances of them getting them?

The first fight did 325,000 in the US. That's less than Lennox Lewis v Michael Grant. It's less than Errol Spence v Mikey Garcia. It's less than Tim Bradley against Juan Manuel Marquez. Now, they aren't fights between nobodies. But they're not massive super fights either.

Since then we've had Fury proving beyond any doubt that he can't sell a fight in the States on his own. Wilder has had one fight and one more this weekend. Do you want to guess how many PPV's he'll sell across both? Either way, they have hardly proven themselves to be particularly popular.

And even if the second fight does double what the first did, is that really all that much? Even if it does double it still does less than Pacquaio v Clottey for example. It would be a good result but hardly in the same league as the serious earners.

But the biggest question is what then? Say Fury wins. You think he starts doing massive American numbers for fights with Parker or Pulev?

 

Just to point out that the fly in the ointment is the fairly recent Saudi interest in sports and venues. When you have disruptive influences, things can change quickly and if they have the money to make it happen, it usually happens. MSG capacity is 21k and Wimbledon centre court is 15k. Both are the best of intimate venues and I doubt it's co-incidence that Saudi have built theirs with a similar setup. In their mock up, they show 2 sports in action; boxing and tennis.