Wilder v Fury II

When the book opened Fury was the favourite with UK bookies. If anything Fury drifted due to UK money on Wilder when Fury looked rubbish against Pianeta.

 

To be fair, he looked good against Pianeta, what went against him was that he couldn’t get the stoppage near the end to top it off.

 

Whoever wins it doesnt tell us about the winner and it's still hard to guage where they are compared to the other top fighters.

If Wilder wins it doesnt tell us much as Fury has looked no where near the standard he was prior his retirement.

If Fury wins it doesnt really tell us much as Wilder has resume of such poor opposition and and even the likes of Washington, Ortiz and Spzilka out boxed in numerous rounds so even a spent Fury can beat him.

Sad thing is whoever wins they're very unlikely to fight top opposition after. If wilder wins he will fight Kownacki and if Fury wins he will fight Miller.

 

I gave up counting the rounds ages ago that Wilder has lost over his career. He’s not interested in winning them, he just warms his way into a fight, flicks out the jab and waits for a fraction of an opportunity to land his right hand. He’s fine with rounds just ticking away, and I’m guessing here a bit but it probably suits him when an opponent is winning rounds and gaining more confidence, cos they get complacent & take more chances.

So I don’t think we can judge him the same way we judge other heavyweights because he’s all about the knockout. The fashion in which he does it is brilliant and I’m still in disbelief that he isn’t more lauded by the American public.

 

I slightly disagree. He went twelve first time against Stiverne and clearly won almost every one. I didn’t expect the knockouts to stop but I assumed he’d end up being a bit like Joshua has largely been, whereby he generally ends up stopping opponents but if not is clearly winning. Instead he’s had two fights with Ortiz where he needed a knockout badly and been outboxed several times.

I know Stiverne isn’t great but it has to be an issue.

 

You gave the impression it was a 50/50 fight. As if what Fury did was no big deal. Yet on a forum of hundreds of boxing fanatics, 65% of them went for Wilder. Big difference between 50/50 and 65/35, as you love to point out during your AJ split rants.

 

And here's the spin folks, just as I predicted earlier in the day. Wilder's ability and record will be scrutinised daily up until fight night for damage limitation purposes in case Fury wins. So predictable....

 

Really - genuinely surprised by that if so.

 

I think it’s pretty obvious Fury will want the Joshua fight. Even Hearn and Joshua have said he’d be easier to deal with. Reading between the lines of those comments, Hearn has already tested the waters.

I know you don’t like Fury, but you don’t have to try and spin everything about him negatively where it doesn’t exist.

 

Wilder has been a world champion or serious contender for years now. He’s operated in the same era as Klitschko, Joshua, Fury, Povetkin, Whyte, Haye, Chagaev, Parker and Ruiz. He’s beaten none of them. Forty odd fights and his greatest win is either Stiverne or a fifty-something Ortiz who was beating him round after round. It’s a miserable record for a guy who should be taking out the division.

 

Clutching at straws here Tone
Id be quite surprised if you have never heard that turn of phase before but instead choose to twist words to fit your agenda

Happy new year lol

 

He’s an old guy with very few wins of note himself and Wilder is a guy approaching his mid 30’s with more than forty fights and five years as a world champion and he’s still, by a mile, Wilder’s best win.

That’s why his record is so open to criticism.

 

It’s an incredibly simple point. People are dressing up a fairly even fight into something it wasn’t to suit their agenda.

 

Yep, the age thing is dug out as if Wlad and Pov were in their teens when AJ beat them. That first Ortiz win is a good win for Wilder. Plus the number of fights Wilder has had in total isn't overly important either. His handlers knew he was flawed as Hell so spent years sharpening the one tool he does have. That patience has paid off and created a fighter capable of ironing anyone out with a single shot. Which goes to 20's point about him letting rounds slip away. He isn't a particularly good boxer, so why bother trying to point score? He did that against Stiverne in their first fight quite usefully but it just isn't his style.