Wilder v Helenius: A farce

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  1. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't buy ppv's, crazy to do it, at all, in this day and age. However, I probably fell for it, in the sense that I thought Helenius was a chance to do better than he did. I never saw or watched his losses to Washington or Duhaupas but I have watched him from his early days. In hindsight, I think you are correct, I don't think he took a dive but if you were looking for an opponent, as a safe bet, Helenius would probably be on speed dial.
     
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    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Now, let's cast our minds back to when Luis Ortiz was at Matchroom. I don't recall much haste on Eddie's part to put a better, harder hitting, more compelling Cuban than Sánchez in with precious Oluwafemi. :lol:
     
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    When you pretend of being so great while beating beggars and suddenly you got dragged like a rag by the first top fighter you face, you make a comeback not with another beggar, but a decent fighter. It's obvious for years that WBC is protecting the dosser, just as the people officially behind him. But they should've found a good boxer at least.
     
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    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Maybe because Joshua was looking to unify with Parker and then had a mandatory with Povetkin which was mandated before Ortiz's mandatory.

    And prior to that Joshua had a mandatory with Pulev, which ended up with Pulev pulling out and Joshua fighting Takam and before than Joshua unified with Wlad.

    So what was Hearn to do, not unify with Wlad and Parker, get Joshua stripped by ducking Parker and Pulev? Fact is Ortiz only needed to wait until the Povetkin mandatory was done and he would of gotten his shot or accepted the $7 million offer he rejected when Miller was caught doping. Instead Ortiz ducked Joshua.
     
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    In my Deontay Wilder voice, "It's a business"
     
  6. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Yeah, that's a far point to argue. More deserving guys overlooked.
     
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  7. FastLeft

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    it was a legitimate KO
    it was a predicted outcome
    it was a credible opponent for a tune up
    there have been less credible eliminators too

    the fact is Helenius earned himself a chance at a top fighter again with his 2 wins against the hyped Kownacki

    & Wilder was coming off 2 horrendous beatings at the hands of Fury

    Wilder hits hard.
    nothing to worry about
     
  8. split_decision

    split_decision Electronic information tampers with your soul Full Member

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    Frank Sanchez is the boogeyman of the heavyweight division
     
  9. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the final eliminator is Ruiz v Wilder
    this isn't bad form for a sanctioning body
     
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    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For all those shameless posters who think that somehow that was a dive , look at Helenius's eyes. Then sheepishly apologize
     
  11. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's such an absurd proposition as to be hilarious.
     
  12. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because a fight against Wilder is the biggest payday that Helenius would ever make (outside of a fight against Fury or Joshua, neither of which would realistically happen).

    They are called prize-fighters for a reason. How is that hard to understand?
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The Dosser's entire career sans 2 or 3 opponents has been a ''soft touch''
     
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  14. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    If you wanted to say that the boxing federations are a farce, I completely agree with you.
    It is business, not sport; is not it?
    In this farce, the WBC federation (bridgerweight) is leading the way.
    Why is Oleksandr Usyk not in the top 40!!! by WBC rating?
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The Dosser is 1-2 in his last 3 fights

    2 of those losses came via brutal KO or stoppage in his own backyard

    With the exception of one round both were one-side massacres

    The Dosser was still ranked #1 by the Wilder Bodyguard Council after back-to-back KO losses

    But now he deserves a title shot off the back of beating a near 39 y/o Helenius who has beaten one semi-decent opponent in a decade, human punchbag Kownacki

    This is Helenius' record since 2011 :facepalm:

    Adam Kownacki WTKO
    Adam Kownacki WTKO
    Mateus Roberto Osorio
    Gerald Washington KO loss
    Erkan Teper
    Yury Bykhautsou
    Yury Bykhautsou SD Robbery
    Dillian Whyte Loss
    Evgeny Orlov
    Gonzalo Basile
    Konstantin Airich
    Johann Duhaupas KO loss
    Franz Rill
    Beka Lobjanidze
    András Csomor
    Michael Sprott
    Sherman Williams SD
    Derek Chisora SD Robbery