Wilder v Joshua - Who Wins ? (Post Parker fight Edition)

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Wilder v Joshua - Who Wins ? (Post Parker fight Edition)

  1. Joshua

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  2. Wilder

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  1. Peterp

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  2. oiky

    oiky Gypsy Boy Full Member

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    Aj still has bad lateral and head movement, this isn't good, wilder may swing recklessly but it's more likely to hit home against an opponent that doesn't move his head
     
  3. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

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    From an analytical standpoint. Wilder for as fundamentally challenged as he is has better lead hands like the right for example. AJ is very stiff and his feet can be planted in the ground. He would want to get inside and work against Wilder like an Evander Holyfield. If he fights at distance behind a jab like he did against Parker, it’s night night time.

    Wilder has a longer reach. Handspeed advantage. Probably a more fluid fighter and yes this includes windmills. AJ needs to learn to not be so repetitive. Parker was able to stagnate his offense quite easily but you never know how these things will turn out on fight night. It’s pretty much a coin toss as to who would win.
     
  4. Blackclouds

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    Wilder by KO (no TKO) late. The main thing I took from AJ/Parker was how slow AJ was. Really don't need to get hit by anything he throws because all of it can be seen as it comes. Wilder has alert reflexes and would be able to see everything coming. I also think Wilder is mentally tougher, and has superior stamina.

    AJ's boxing is severely overrated, while Wilder's is severely underrated (except by his opponents who prepare like they never have before). A secret, Wilder wants you to underestimate his skills, he obviously throws "windmills" to give haters who want to believe he's lacking in skill some ammo to blind them as he would never satisfy boxing purists anyways so why try to be perfect for them, **** those hipsters. I won't talk about AJ's power too much though it's interesting that Parker was able to limit exposure to AJ's power and it was nowhere to be seen in the fight. Can't do that to Wilder as all he needs is one punch and it's hard to avoid for 12 rounds.

    Where were the traps AJ was supposed to spring on Parker? AJ doesn't move his head so he's vulnerable to straight right hands and counters. AJ is also changing the way he fights against more dangerous opponents while Wilder is the same throughout his career. Where's the bulldozer AJ that made him famous in the UK?

    AJ started at age 18 which is only a year earlier than when Wilder started boxing. He doesn't have the expert level skills that would give Wilder trouble like a Lennox Lewis, Holyfield, or a prime Tyson would. But then even those greats would have had to execute a good gameplan to beat him or get knocked out. After this fight, haters would be wishing they were still around and/or **** on the whole division Wilder is about to dominate.
     
  5. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Joshua lives on his size, his style is a tad robotic and Wilder can jab with him. It will be about 4 rounds of feinting , shucking and jiving before the fight breaks out. 50/50
     
  6. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are right about AJ's head movement, he's a statue
     
  7. andrewa1

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    Yeah, I don't think much will happen the first few rounds. The question for me is does AJ dare bum rush Wilder, like he used to do to everyone? How does Wilder take it if so? Does he catch AJ coming in? That length may be a big problem for AJ.

    60/40 fight for me, giving the edge to AJ. Wilder will need the ko to win. This weekend proved any debatable round will go to AJ. I could see 10 rounds of tentative indecision, and two rounds of fireworks. But, even of those fireworks go against AJ, all he really needs to do is to survive, and he'll get the decision.
     
  8. andrewa1

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    Yeah, if Tyson ever comes back remotely prime, I think he beats AJ.
     
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  9. underwraps

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    Whatever AJ does he should stay at the Parker weight. He had a better engine, and he needs that.
    Vs Wilder is a funny one. I think Wilder has improved. I don't know in what department,maybe his chin is a bit better than I thought,not sure, but he's so long, fast and unorthodox and there's that power.
    A year ago i'd go AJ 60/40 or even 70-30.Now I think its a pick em fight.
     
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  10. andrewa1

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    Yeah, that's what I'm feeling as well, to some extent. I feel the old super aggressive bum rusher poses more of a challenge than current catious AJ. AJ will rack up the rounds, especially with Eddie's judges, but if/when Wilder connects, it could be all over.
     
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  11. SmackDaBum

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    Joshua has a much better jab than Wilder. Speed (?), reach (0.5 inch armlength) and height(less than 1 inch) are a non factor. The power, distance control and timing behind their jabs will be the key difference's between them. Joshua will stagger Wilder and offset his rhythm all time. There is more than 25 pounds between them and Wilder's offensive attempts will get taken away by the jab alone. On the inside AJ's weight advantage will play an even bigger role. It drains your energy by being out muscled by a stronger and heavier dude on the inside. Also Wilder has faster lineal footspeed going forwards or backwards but his footwork is worse. And when he throws he gets off balance more often than not. Against small and short plodders he can get away with that flaw but against a man his own stature he wont. And AJ has a fast counter on top of that. AJ's got the perfect blend of attributes to expose this flaw in Wilder badly.

    Just watch Gerald Washington against Wilder and you know what i mean.
     
  12. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Do you really think that AJ will have the same gameplan for Wilder that he had for Parker?

    Against Parker he was cautious of the left hook counter if he let the right hand go more often. Wilder doesn't have that timing or left hook in his arsenal. Also he is not as strong and balanced as Parker on the inside, which will give Joshua the confidence to throw it whenever he wants to.
     
  13. Chuck Norris

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    I slightly favor Joshua.
     
  14. daverobin

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    joshua by stoppage
     
  15. Bogotazo

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    Joshua has all the tools to win. He's better at controlling the distance, keeping his hands up, keeping his balance, and shooting straight shots behind a jab. But I also feel a little uncomfortable with that prediction looking at how stiff and sometimes awkward Joshua looks. Somehow, every once in a while, he doesn't see a punch coming and gets himself out of position in a vulnerable spot. That's all Wilder really needs. Given that he's more athletic and has awkward dimensions, I see Wilder maybe being the first to strike, but not being able to finish the job, while Joshua grinds him down with the fundamentals and his own power.