Wilder V Kownacki

I would have liked to have seen Miller vs Kownacki. That could have been a potential FOTY candidate.

 

That would be an awesome fight. Apart from having a similar resume, their fighting styles remind me of each other; both hugely overweight, but with great, high volume punching ability and good chin. I'd favor Kownacki but it could go either way and would be fun to watch.

 

Why? Because they're both Polish? That's a bit shallow. Stylistically Kownacki is much closer to Chris Arreola, and even the washed up shell of Arreola was able to land on Wilder with reasonable consistency. Kownacki also has a much better jab than Arreola ever had, which would make things interesting.

 

Kownacki has the pressure and the fearlessness though. Whatever he gives up in raw punching power and size he makes up for with workrate and intensity. Breazeale isn't hugely proficient at using his reach anyway. He often gives up his height to much shorter fighters like Kassi and Mansour, either because he lacks the footwork and distance control to keep them off, or he chooses to wade in to slug it out on the inside. He's far too easy to hit, and tough as he is, I can't see that ending well for him against Wilder.

Kownacki isn't hugely hard to hit either, but he keeps throwing shots and keeps coming forward on you, which can affect your mental composure and prevent you setting your feet or finding your rhythm. He's also quite proficient at sneaking shots through the guard and does a few little tricks in there that can befuddle lesser fighters.

I don't think either man beats Wilder TBH, though I give Kownacki a better chance to do some damage.

 

Kownacki isn't better then Martin , had it been a 12 round fight I probably get that pick right.

Wilder would land on Kownacki very easily , he's a K.0 waiting to happen .

Breazeales has something Kownacki can't bring that's height. That automatically puts Breazeales chances to win over Wilder better. He also has a better over hand right and is a better finisher then Wilder if he has you stunned .

It all comes down to.who has ability to reach Wilder first and take a punch better.

There's other advantages for Breazeale in this like having guys who've fought Wilder as his sparring partners just like Miller fought Washington it made it easier fo r Kownacki . Wilder fighting Breazeale is more dangerous fight , it's an ugly fight and it's a far more winnable fight for Breazeale who is also a pressure fighter and will be hard to deal with if your going off the back foot throwing two punches at a time.

It's a real bad style for Wilder , I hope they fight because we'll see how Wilder reacts when he's really hit by a power puncher with 90% K.O 's and he will land at some point. I give Breazeale a good 35% chance at winning that fight .

 

Why is Wilder fighting Kownatski?
I thought he is fighting Fury.

 

Well Breazeale isn't any better than Kassi or Mansour, going by that logic.

Wilder would land on both men very easily. Breazeale isn't a defensive wizard either, and might actually be even easier to hit since he's so slow and static.

Breazeale's height might prove an advantage if he can use it, but how often does he actually do so? What, specifically does his height allow him to do against a taller opponent that Kownacki would struggle with? His finishing abilities aren't better than Wilder's (did you mean Kownacki?) and he had trouble putting away both Ugonoh and Mansour. Against Ugonoh he had him down and then got knocked down himself, not a sign of a great finisher.

I agree that he provides certain challenges that Kownacki doesn't, but the same is true in reverse. I certainly don't think he's this nightmare stylistic matchup as you do, just a big, ponderous, heavy-handed guy with a porous defence and an above average chin.

 

Breazeale broke Mansours Jaw ,a younger Mansour of 2014 who had more pro experience then Breazeale,he was taking over the fight and rocked him at the end of 4,so not sure what you mean ,what logic ? Breazeale is a huge guy that takes over fights his best win is Izu who is better then Kownacki .

Im looking at the direct fight and Kownacki does not match up well with Wilder. Breazeale has way more chance to connect behind a jab ,one underatted thing Breazeale does is body shots,one of the best body punchers in the division and people ignore that. If you know Wilders weakneses you know why that will be important.

Kownacki isn't the question here ,its what wilder doesn't like and that's long jabbers which Breazeake is ,Wilder can be easily defeated with a Breazeale type fighter and add power to that its no question hes the harder opponent. Wilder relies on reach ,take that away and he struggles. Hes not going to struggle much against Kownacki ,even Szpilka has movements to frustrate him giving up size ,kownacki has cement in his shoes though, hes not a 6'7 giant ,hes just heavy with quick hands, like a Ruiz type fighter.

Breazeale is a better finisher then Wilder, wilder swings wild and has no calculations to it, Breazeale does he pin points his shots and looks for openings ,wilder does not and it cost him with Fury,not that Fury was overly stunned but.............

Breazeale did finish Izu so I don't know what you're talking about and in round 5 ? He also finished Molina quicker, and he was probably on peds bc he was busted not long ago. lol

Wilder failed to finish Arreola and later in the fight quit on the stool not the floor so....................................................

 

I doubt Wilder will risk fighting Kownacki.

Wilder will more likely be fighting old Sam Peter, who is coming out of retirement with a fight this weekend.

 

Alot of pathetic wishful thinking in this threaf. Someone explain to me how Wilder isn't good but kownacki is.

 

Well Kownacki won cleanly vs Martin, so I'm not sure what you're going on about either. He's never come close to needing a robbery thus far; the same can't be said for Breazeale (Kassi).

Just because a fighter is taller and has a longer reach doesn't automatically make them a better jabber. Maybe you're not saying that, but it kinda sounds like it.

Frankly nothing I've seen of Breazeale tells me he's a better jabber than Kownacki. His jab is like the rest of his game: slow, sloppy and inconsistent. Shorter fighters have no problems getting into his wheelhouse, or even outjabbing him if they choose. His success comes from being the bigger, tougher man and outslugging guys that he traps against the ropes, usually after taking a ton of clean shots to the grill.

Kownacki's jab isn't brilliant, but it's consistently thrown and utilised as part of his overall attack strategy. It frequently pops fighters' heads back, disrupts their rhythm, and has them backpeddling to the ropes where he's able to go to work on their head and body. Speaking of bodyshots, Kownacki is no slouch there either.

But the point is Breazeale doesn't use his reach the way he should. He's not going to be popping Wilder's head back with his jab and setting him up for big shots because that's not the way he fights. He's going to try to walk Wilder down and bludgeon him with his slow, ponderous swings. That's essentially what Kownacki is going to try as well, only Kownacki is both faster of hand and more consistent/fluid in his attack. That gives him opportunities that Breazeale won't be able to capitalise on.

The only factor that might favour Breazeale is his punch resistance, since we don't know what sort of shot Kownacki can take or how well he recovers from being knocked down.

Wilder has finished almost every fighter he's had hurt, and he's beaten men at a higher level than Breazeale's opponents thus far. His finishing abilities when he goes full windmill are pretty laughable, I won't disagree there, but you also can't argue with results.

He dropped Izu then got dropped himself, then Izu gassed himself out trying to get the stoppage, which enabled Breazeale to pound him out. Hardly brilliant stuff, and pertinent to my above point regarding Breazeale's general abilities to find success residing in his physical toughness and heart.

Molina? Who cares?

 

O.K your starting to make things up here.....

Martin won 4 out of the 10 rounds winning 4 rounds in a row as he started late and almost knocked him out in round 10 ,the bell arguably saved Kownacki...there was nothing clean about that fight.

On the better finisher.

You brought up Izu not being stopped which was false, Arreola wasn't stopped with punches he quit on his stool that's a TKO . Molina is important because they both fought him .You are losing the plot .

Breazeale will be the more aggressive jabber Wilder has fought coming at him.so I don't know what what to tell you ? Being tall is factored into this fight how is it not ? Lol


you even brought up shorter fighters to show Breazeales jabbing ? Wilder is not short he won't get under him and he's a back foot fighter that throws in a combination of 2 mostly and 1s ? Literally had no relevance to shorter combination puncher like Izu and Mansour that attack you.

Closing:

only thing you got right is Breazeales chin.It's actually important bc he's going to take some to land one but in the process he's going to hit Wilder.I

Kownacki is custom made for Wilder he will get knocked out before mid rounds , the difference is the percentage of chance of Breazeale winning goes up the longer the fight goes , he's a slow starter and so is Wilder. He will stop Wilder from throwing back if he's on him , Kownacki is going to get punched down on sooner then later.

Wilder needs to get Breazeale out early to secure a win and it's not easy as you guys think.

Breazeale also has Joshua on his resume been in with Izu, Mansour .You guys are over exaggerating Wilder s in ring experience to Breazeales , the one fault he he has is inactivity, but he just fought a competent Olympian so he would have no rush of the fight is next.

You stated Breazeales out slugs his opponents with size to win?

what do you think Wilder s saving grace is ? It's his reach and speed.

He'll have one over Breazeale , he'll have two over Kownacki.

Power isn't really factored in here but Kownacki will have to hit Wilder more , Breazeales punches do way more damage. Chins are a bit more important here and you admit Breazeales is proven.



Kownacki has about 15% chance , Breazeales is 35% .

 

Just to chime in on the top part, I thought Kownacki beat Martin pretty comfortably too.

 

I thought it was very close, had it gone the 12 round I would have favoures Martin as he was coming on the stronger in the end of the fight.

 

What's not clean about winning more rounds and getting the decision? Who cares what would have happened if the fight had gone twelve rounds? It didn't.

I never mentioned Izu not being stopped. I mentioned him getting up from the first knockdown and going on to knock down Breazeale, which he did. Breazeale's finishing skills weren't much on display there, were they?

As for Molina, once again who cares? He got stopped in one round by Arreola and Ashanti Jordan as well. He's no sort of yardstick whatsoever.

I've already told you why I think Breazeale's height and jab won't be as big a factor as you think. How about you giving me specific examples of when Breazeale utilised his height and jab to beat a decent level opponent, and not simply outslugged them?

And be hit back, and likely KTFO.

Probably. He's almost as wide open to shots as Breazeale. The difference is that he's much better at stringing punches together and applying constant pressure to fighters, and do that for long enough and cracks begin to show.

Every time Breazeale's been hurt it's been early on, and if Wilder hurts him I can't see him getting out of the way for long. I just look at Breazeale's fights with Izu and Mansour where he's swinging away wide open taking punches flush on the jaw and getting rocked all over the place and can't see any way Wilder doesn't catch him hard and knock him out early.

Kownacki might suffer the same treatment, but his faster hands and less reckless attacking style might see Wilder struggling to land early on, till he finds an opening. If Kownacki slows like he did vs Martin then Wilder takes him out, no question.

Being proven doesn't necessarily mean better. It's just a possible factor that might favour Breazeale. One of only a few.