Wilder v Povetkin resume

Povetkins has infinitely more depth. Boswell, Rahman, Charr, Perez, and quite a few others are easily better than Wilders second tier of victories.

 

Its not even a question, cause Povetkin has a solid resume. And Wilder, Ortiz aside has been one of the biggest manufactured cherry pickers ever.

 

And prime Chagaev and prime Huck would both beat Ortiz.

 

Povetkin's resume shits all over Wilder's.

 

Wilder is a bum. I'm not fooled by his ko off fat inactive old Stiverne. The rest of his defences are all poor, including Ortiz.

 

Going to have to go against the grain here. Wilders resume has to be considered better than Povetkins because his best wins are more recent and are against opposition that is relevant in the current scene.

 

A few months ago we had a "Charr would have been one of Wilder's best wins" thread. I defended Charr largely out of a sense of contrariness, but by the end of the thread it was obvious that yes, Charr would have been one of Wilder's best wins. He's probably #7 or #8 on Povetkin's list.

 

No. Prime Ortiz would beat both, knock them out cold.

 

I wouldn't call Byrd a borderline ATG, that's a stretch at best he's like Povetkin level, both very good heavyweights, would compete in any era, but never had the full package to ever be a dominant champion.

But other than that, I agree. Povetkin and Ortiz are a similar level if we are talking head to head ability, I think it's a pick'em fight in their primes. Maybe Ortiz counters Povetkin on the way in with uppercuts, like vs Jennings or maybe Povetkin toughs it out early and grinds down Ortiz who doesn't have the stamina or work rate that Povetkin had in his prime.

But in regards to resumes of Povetkin and Wilder, yeah it's pretty clear Povetkin has the better resume, it's far deeper. He's faced far more quality heavies than Wilder.

Ortiz might be better than anyone Povetkin has on his resume but how good was a 38 Ortiz who hadn't looked good in his last 3 fights? Maybe if Wilder had fought the Ortiz that had just iced Jennings but the current Ortiz has a question mark over him. He's only ever had one good win over Jennings who was coming off a loss. We need to see how Ortiz does against some other top heavies before we really know how good he is still. Currently he has one good win just like Stiverne had before he fought Wilder and we saw how quickly peoples opinion of Stiverne dropped after they saw him struggle vs Rossy and then look like garbage in the Wilder rematch. People opinions of Ortiz might also change drastically when we see more of him vs better opposition.

 

Wilder has the best H2H win with Ortiz, Povetkin wins everything else. There's hardly any depth to Wilder's resume outside or Ortiz and Stiverne, while Povetkin has a ton of victories over top level to very good fighters. Wilder has a couple of dodgy fights as well. The Scott fight was an obvious dive, and I've always had a weird feeling about the Lyakhovich fight as well. The way Lyakhovich just went down and started spasming after one shot in the first seemed fishy to me, though I fully accept that it could just be proof of Wilder's excellent power.

 

By that logic, Lennox's resume was trash too right?

Stiverne never beat a World Champion, and Ortiz has never held a belt.
How exactly are they 'relevant' in the current scene?

 

Please, Ortiz was old, fat and slow. He only had his brain and his arms in there, the rest of his body had no reason to even enter to ring. And the same stands for Stiverne, but his brain is no good. Until I see him fight someone who actually comes forward and gives him a war, consistently and can keep up the pace on him, then he has one name on his record. Who might you ask? All 40 of his opponents, who are all exactly the same. Same style, same skills, same movement, same legs.

Povetkin's resume is better.

 

You've missed my point. People are trying to say that Povetkins resume means that he should rank above Wilder. All I'm saying is Wilders best form is so much more recent that in 2018 it should be considered more relevant when ranking.

The Byrd fight was in 2008, Chambers 2009, Chagaev 2011, these are probably Povetkins three best wins. And he hasn't beaten anyone currently in the top 10. If Lewis came out of retirement tomorrow and you ask if he rates above Wilder I would say he doesn't for the same reasons. All of Wilders best wins have been from 2015 onwards and the quality is comparable.

 

Charr is even further down than that on Povetkins resume, that's how good Povetkins resume is.

Chagaev, Huck, Byrd, Wach, Rahman, Donald, Chambers, Perez, Takam, Duhaupas, Hammer, Price, Rudenko,

I'd have Charr 14th!.