Wilder V Zhang on Joshua- Ngannou undercard according to Chris Mannix

If Usyk had 47 fights in CW, and 40 of this were against tomato cans, bums, truck drivers and clearly ducked the good opposition i wouldn't have a problem calling him that.

Usyk career is not only in the HW division. CW division is still Boxing, you know ? He ain't having 16 wins in MMA for example. His wins were in Boxing in the CW division, and at the time that division had a monsters in it, and was the most stacked division by far.
When i see Usyk his resume, his run i don't separate his CW and HW ones.
He spend his prime days in CW, obviously he is going to be known for that, but his journey in the HW is still not ended.
But this ain't about Usyk.
Also Usyk had 350 amateur fights, and has one literally everything in Boxing, whether it's amateur or Pro, so any comparison with Wilder is laughable.

 

We are talking only hw pro here

 

I vote the fight does not take place---somebody is pulling out. The trainer or manager of one of them won't like how things are going in pre fight preperations and yanks his guy out with an injury report.

 

Zhang is a Chinese experiment gone right. The man has a steel head.

 

Just watched Zhang interview. He accepted the offer, and they are all waiting on Wilder word. Let's see if Wilder will be man enough to take the fight, or he will duck.

 

I think Zhang tires after 6 and Wilder who is beat to all hell and hasn't landed a punch all night while looking like a ghost then sparks Zhang out in round 7 with 43 seconds remaining in the round

 

And even as a HW pro, Usyk has accomplished more in 1/10th of the number of fights.

Wilder's best win is aging gatekeeper level Ortiz, and he needed the referee to save him even then.

Usyks on a different planet - he's a legit elite, not the hypejob cancrusher that Wilder is.

On topic, there's absolutely no way Wilder beats Zhang

 

Who are those 8 top 14 opponents?

The likes of Ortiz, Washington, Spzilka, Stiverne, Washington, Molina, Duhaupas lol All trash and non world level opponents.

Governing bodies ranking count for **** in terms of quality, it just means who has payed sanction fees.

I mean Mark De Mori was ranked in the both WBC and WBA too 15.

Looks at the current WBA rankings it includes:

lenier Pero
Cassius Chaney
Jonathan Guidry
Justin Huni
Ivan Dychko

 

PBO is not a "governing body" dummy, they are an "independent rankings body". They don't rank the likes of Mori and didn't even rank some of Wilder's defences, or Joshua's for that matter.

PBO had Stiverne 1 at 6, Duhaupas at 13, Szpilka at 14, Stiverne 2 at 14, Ortiz 1 at 5, Breazeale at 10 and Ortiz 2 at 8 when Wilder beat them, in addition to a draw with 5th ranked Fury (or possibly as high as 3rd, I can't find an exact date) and Helenius at 12 (they stopped updating their page a few months prior to Wilder beating him). So according to PBO, Wilder was 7-0-1 against HW's ranked 5-14 in 2019/2020 and 8-2-1 against them (Fury was No.1 ranked by that point) in 2022/2023. Wilder being 7-0-1 with PBO (12-0-1 against top 40 opponents) in 2019/2020 also explains why TBRB (another "independent rankings body") had Wilder ranked at No.1 at that time, with Ring and PBO having him at No.2 behind Fury.

You essentially acknowledged this at the time, hence you publicly ranked Wilder top 3 or top 4 in 2018/2019 and said that he'd be top 10 in any era.

You have no consistent, coherent definition for "world level", it basically translates as "Joshua opponent who hasn't lost to a Fury or Wilder victim". Even though Parker lost to Fury-victim Whyte.

Whyte looked like trash against Fury and that's Joshua's 3rd best win. Perhaps Joshua has zero or one world level win, two losses at world level and one quitjob loss at sub-world level. In any case, Joshua and Wilder have three losses apiece, are out of the undisputed picture and failed to fight each other when they had all of the belts undefeated in one of the ATG bottlejobs by both sides.

 

From what I just heard Zhang vs Wilder is ON. It's going to be a fun fight. If Deontay Wilder wins he's back but if Zhang KO's Wilder it's alllllll over for Deontay Wilder and his little chums.

 

Guess we have to agree to disagree.

However 93% of this forum of over 100 votes thinks AJ has a better legacy than Wilder with majority referring it to as not being close.

 

Ok then, fine by me.

Did you agree with the forum polls when 70% or 80% had Wilder beating Joshua, both in retrospect and current?

I can see the arguments for Joshua's legacy being superior, I'm not a dogmatist. But there's an inherent bias toward the guy who just won his fight and looked good as opposed to the guy who just lost and looked terrible. If Joshua were to lose to Ngannou in another "upset of the year" for instance then the "forum polls" would shift.

 

You are smoking crack if you think this fight happens. Wilder isn't risking it.

 

Normally i would see wilder as pretty capable of beating zhang but based on his recent ( weak ) and zhangs ( strong ) performance i also favour zhang for march.

When it comes to usyk i see him being elite in cw only .
In hw i see only one noteworthy opponent in a total 5 lousy fights and beyond that i see only fake empty words from the promoter and as little fighting as possible at all .

I know that many here are strong supporters of usyk and strong haters of wilder so lets just agree that we both disagree here but i fully respect your opinion.