Wilder vs Helenius likely for October 15th

Exactly Fury, Ortiz, Helenius.. in the past couple of years...

 

Helenius is not in his theoretical athletic prime but he's had a strange career: lots of injuries, bouts with depression. The version of Helenius who KO'd Kownacki was fit and came to win, which made him a lot better than the version that was out of shape, depressed, coming for a payday or all three. The same is true of Lucas Browne: he might get bowled over in the 1st round by a small rugby player or he might turn up and f*ck up a complacent guy in the 1st round who gave Parker a competitive fight over 12.

 

Oh great, its fencik45. The guy who hates boxing, admits he doesn't watch boxing, has 400 posts all about how boxing and fighters in boxing suck, yet posts on boxing boards all day long.

In the last couple days, you've bashed Ali, Mayweather, Fury, Wilder, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, their fans, anyone who believes in religion, and claimed boxing is as fixed as wrestling and that you won't be watching this fight or that fight or any other fight anyone is talking about ... because you only watch one or two fights a year.

Why are you even on this board? Seriously?

I've yet to hear you say one positive thing ABOUT ANYTHING at all ... ever.

You are one miserable piece of ****.

It's rigged, that sucked, he sucked, I don't watch boxing, that hall of famer sucked, that other hall of famer sucked, the best fighters right now suck.

You only chime in to say everything and everyone we talk about ... sucks.

For a guy who claims he only watches one or two fights a year, you seem to have an opinion on everything and every one ... and they're all negative.

Honestly, **** off.

 

What step up means, is that Dubblechin usually turns around and says it's not 2018 any more.

To which I was going to wittily reply "so then why the hell have I spent all day listening to One Kiss by Dua Lipa.

But for the first time ever, more than Dubble came to Wilder's defence, which protracted the situation and led so far off the course that we have this post here from you.

I'm not sure you really realise how this works tbh.

 

From memory Duhaupas only had 4 weeks to prepare Wilder and with the means of a French provincial boxer.
He was able to prepare Helenius under much better conditions.

 

Wilder's top 6 opponents beaten:

Ortiz 1
Ortiz 2
Stiverne 1 (beat Helenius in the ams)
Duhaupas (beat Helenius in the pros)
Szpilka (beat Wach years after Wilder had brutally KO'd him and before Wach gave Whyte a competitive fight)
Washington (beat Helenius in the pros)

Whyte's top 6 opponents beaten:

Parker
Chisora 1
Chisora 2
Rivas
Wach
Helenius

Granted Helenius wasn't on form when he got KO'd in 6 and 8 by Duhaupas and Washington but he wasn't on form when he took Whyte the full 12 rounds in Britain on short notice slap bang in the middle of those two defeats either.

Whyte went life and death with Parker, Chisora x2, Rivas and even took a lot of punishment against Wach. The only opponent Wilder beat who damaged him more than Wach did Whyte was Ortiz 1. Whyte was also sparked by far lower quality opponents than Fury in Joshua and shadow of himself Povetkin at home.

Wilder KO'd all of his non-Fury opponents barring Stiverne 1 (who he schooled) and defended his belt 10 times consequtively. Whyte couldn't KO Dave Allen, Helenius, shopworn Wach who'd been stopped 3 times already, Povetkin 1, Rivas, Chisora 1, Parker or AJ among others and produced an embarrassingly poor performance against Fury that made Wilder's second fight with Fury look fairly competitive in comparison.

These are some of the reasons why Wilder would be a hot favourite over Whyte if they fought. If you understand how to evaluate a record it's clear that Wilder's is far superior to that short, hittable, weak chinned plodder.

 

I bashed Ali and Mayweather jr? lmao you clown. I asked if someone really believed they had elite power. Do you sleep with your bozo shoes on? You can't go a full sentence without spewing a blatant lie.

 

Sounds like a character. Come one, come all, even ye twopenny misanthropes. The more the merrier.

 

Will not happen. Even if signed, Wilder will get "covid."

 

Clear to see comparing the names Whyte record of opponents is far superior to Wilders.

Parker obviously superior record to Ortiz. Chisora and Rivas on par with Ortiz and better than anyone else he has beaten.

Also stating the obvious that Wilder ducked Whyte for years.

 

Lol you mean Browne might not take a dive

 

"Whyte record of opponents is far superior to Wilders."

Only from a jaundiced perspective.

Wilder's 4th and 6th best wins KO'd Whyte's 6th best win. Wilder's 5th best win beat Whyte's 5th best win. Whyte's 2nd/3rd best win KO'd Wilder's 5th best win. So Wilder's best 6 have 3 wins against Whyte's best 6 to Whyte's 1.

Parker's best wins are disputed decisions against the likes of Ruiz, Hughie and Chisora. Ruiz's best win was Liakhovich, Hughie's was Rudenko and Chisora's was Takam. He beats next to no one in impressive fashion and hasn't got a stoppage above final career fight Leapai level.

Ortiz by contrast has often performed impressively in comparative terms. Cojanu went 12 with Parker in NZ, Ortiz iced him in 2 with one punch. Allen went the full 10 with Whyte and gave him a war, Ortiz schooled and stopped him in 7. Thompson loses 9-3 away to Pulev and Takam, Ortiz schools and stops him in 6. Ortiz doesn't lose a minute of a round against Scott, Chisora has a war with Scott and takes more punches before the end of 6 than Ortiz takes in 12. Zack Page is on a 44 fight streak where he goes the distance with everyone...except Ortiz. 6th ranked Jennings goes 12 with Wlad and Joyce but doesn't make 7 against Ortiz.

Whyte should have left Matchroom and joined PBC if he wanted to fight Wilder just as Ortiz did.

AJ showed his true colours when he quit against Ruiz. Wilder's a warrior and AJ's yellow by comparison, that's all there is to it. Promoter spin means nothing.

 

Great fight for Wilder and i will be happy to see it. And i expect big KO from the big dosser.

 

Don't sit on the fence with this one mate.