Wilder vs Joshua as of today

If his feet were faster he could have landed more on Wilder. Even the rounds he was winning due to Wilders inactivity he was largely ineffective. Ultimately he resorted to trading with Wilder and got stomped. Thing is, he's much more effective as a counter puncher. Unfortunately against someone with the dimensions of Wilder, counter punching would be suicidal so he had no choice but to go on the front foot. Of course he gassed though, he got even slower as the fight wore on. Which just exacerbated the problem further.

 

I had Ortiz up yeah but that did not include the last round. The fight up until Wilder caught Ortiz was very poor, Wilder was very cautious, he did almost nothing and the rounds went to Ortiz purely on him dictating the fight, landing a few more jabs but nothing of real importance against Wilders almost nothing. Hence the booing from the fans. Once Ortiz gassed Wilder had more confidence to take more risk and get his shots off and after Ortiz spent his tank trying to get Wilder outta there I thought there was only gonna be one winner.

I didnt agree with the cards other than the 5th 9th 10th I think you really struggled to come up with an arguement for Wilder who did very little (5th he put Ortiz down) 9th was after he gassed so on the cards I had Ortiz 1-4 6th & 7th but wilder only won 2 so yeah surprised that all the cards pretty much reflected each other. I simply dont agree that Wilder had won 5 out of the 9 rounds though !

 

he was already leading the fight IMO therefore he was landing enough, had he not gassed I think Ortiz would have won the fight, threfore his footwork must have been good enough.

 

Ortiz barely landed anything in those rounds except for round 7 where he hurt Wilder during an exchange. He was winning purely due to Wilders inactivity, mostly by choice. Look we can go on and on in circles. Fact is Wilder was maintaining his preferred range relatively easily, keeping it long and backing up without too much trouble while looking for his big right hand. Like you said he's done the same in previous fights, it's what he does. If you allow your opponent to do what he wants to do you can't really say that's good footwork. Getting bored with this now.

 

Just outta curiosity before the 10th who did you have up on the cards?

 

Don't get me wrong Wilder didn't look good, but it's become a trend with him. It's what happens when you have poor fundamentals and are in love with your power. Backing up and looking for that one big KO shot is a surefire way to give rounds away. Was not tracking points but Ortiz should have been up. He won most of those rounds by default.

 

See I seen it as Wilder just point blank refusing to engage for the first 4 rounds, the fact he was always outta there sharpish as soon as Ortiz closed any gap meant that there was no fight at first. However Ortiz couldnt just run in after him as that was exactly what Wilder was trying to step up therefore Ortiz had to be far more subtle and not over commit with his footwork. Ortiz doesnt have fast feet but he has educated feet if you know what that means. He at his age is never gonna go chasing a runner, he just doesnt have the tank to do that therfore had to keep moving Wilder off balance so he couldnt set but at the same time keep his feet planted to land big on Wilder when he had the chance.

To be fair I thought barring round 8 i think it was Ortiz did almost everything right. It was his age IMO that cost him the fight as he couldnt mantain any power later in the fight, as soon as Wilder realised that he was jumped on him.

I agree though that when Wilder is against a better boxer (almost everyone at the top!) he relies on his power, he did take a shot better than i thought he would tho

 

Ortiz was fked every which way. He could have gotten taken out in the 5th round. He was just too old and his go to style isn't conducive to winning fights against a taller, powerful, rangy opponent.

Yeah Wilder has shown he can take a shot. AJ probably won't put him out too easily, but he'll go eventually. His defense is too poor not to get taken out. Fairly certain of that.

 

Sadly I can't...this era of heavyweights ain't nowhere near as good as the 70s-80s-90s era

Fury is the best but isn't active.

Wilder gets by on power alone but is a KO waiting to happen.

AJ is a overhyped body builder who went life and death with wladimir.

Ortiz is slick and a good technician but carrys fat and is too old and slow.

Parker has good fundamentals and a good chin but I'm not sold on his power.

There all around the same level tbh.

Heavyweight division doesn't interest me as much as the other weights

 

Although it’s probably a redundant thing for me to say with zero boxing experience, is anyone almost insulted that Wilder wins the way he does, it’s like all he does is train that right hand and the jab to set it up. The overwhelming abundance of bad posture, loading up to land the right hand, the way he just lunges forward and looks terrible (windmill) landing the KO punch, I just think it’s so against the history and pedigree of former champions. Is it just me that thinks that it’s ridiculous the way he just goes for broke, it’s labored, telegraphed but the sheer power gets him through and that rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it’s good that somebody so unorthodox or so silly gets the job done in the most unconventional way but to me I find it awful to see when Ortiz was landing nice, crisp boxing punches. I just hate the idea of brawlers in boxing. Take Fury, he’s a classic, awkward, tall, polished boxer who uses technique, movement and size to stifle his opponents compared to wilder who uses his power and erraticness to win bouts. If I’m talking nonesense please correct but that’s my opinion, I just don’t think it’s entertainimg or nice to see. I much prefer and appreciate when a real boxer plys his trade properly.

 

No not at all its what makes the sport what it is.... you could have a guy with all the flashy skills in the world, great feet, great jab, great stamina... but could still get beaten by a tough fearless puncher. and vice versa. If it was all the same it wouldnt be as entertaining. Its still a fight at the end of the day, however its strange that most tend to get drawn to the guy who can whack and take a punch as oppose to the guy who can move like the wind and box on the back foot whilst dancing. It creates diversity, opinions, talking points and uncertainty.

Oh and we all love a Rocky story !!

 

This is bang on.

Totally get you @Ali Bomaye-92 . It’s probably a bit like the crazy gang (Wimbledon) in the 80’s and 90’s, playing the long ball and beating quality footballing sides. It’s the variety of it and I think with boxing there’s something in it for everyone. I love watching quality boxers showing off the finest of skills...but sometimes I do feel like watching a proper tear-up between a couple of fighters who lack the skills and ring craft.
The onus is on the opponent to find a way of beating Wilder. Up to now, it’s not happened and so his tactic of sparking someone out works for him.

 

yup I tend to see the technical match ups as being more interesting and an eye opener, but then the scraps like Chisora/Whyte just bring out the caveman in you and get you cheering. All technique goes out the window and is replaced by "kill 'em" chants !!

Also its strange for all the technical attributes of GGG and Canelo people didnt want that to end up a technical fight in the slightest ... the people wanted an all out war slugfest. Both were too smart for that and some were a little disappointed. I enjoyed the original fight to be fair but if Im being truly honest if it had been a total balls to wall scrap I woulda preferred it no doubt. As it stands I have only watched that fight back twice so far, however if it had been the slobberknocker I woulda watched it back again more times no doubt.

Also if you ask the best fights in history to watch Im sure Ward/Gatti and Hagler/Hearns would no doubt come out very high in the list. And they were just out and out scraps!

 

I agree with all that, mate.

Ward v Gatti....3 amazing fights. The first is my all time favourite fight. If I had to show somebody who had never given boxing a chance, I would show them that fight to sell the sport.

I loved Canelo-GGG too, particularly round 5 when Canelo is against the ropes shrugging his shoulders to say ‘you’re not hurting me’ and GGG just smiling away, pounding him with shots.

I enjoy high skilled, cheese match type fights the most in general though. Whilst Fury vs Klitschko was a bore fest to many, it was a masterclass in my eyes. There’s something for everyone in boxing.

 

Love the cheese matches...let's get Rick astley in the ring with Chesney hawkes...a proper cheese fight!!