Wilder vs Joshua

I think it's more that he's just 100000000% emotionally invested in the Fury train. He wants Fury to be an ATG but his brain can't comprehend how pitiful Fury's cv actually is since becoming the man a decade ago. A normal fan would get frustrated with Fury and call out his nonsense. Not this Redbeard fella. He has to spend every day making out Wilder has a spectacular cv because Fury fought him 3 times. It's very odd behaviour. Boxing must be the only sport where fans don't want their boy to face the best or be active.

The funny thing is, when old injury worn down, 42 year old Vitali used to hold Fury's belt he still managed to defend it 3 times in his last year against prime Chisora, Adamek and then cherry picked Charr. God imagine a heavy weight defending his belt 3 times now in a year.

 

Those odds are chosen by the bookies, who judge the odds based on what the public (mostly part-time fans) are likely to vote for. Naturally many fans were going to have a punt and vote for Fury the first time around.

With regards to the "uncalculated risks" part, if you are a titleholder then you are obliged to fight the best and the best only. Whether it is a big risk or not is not relevant. I can't add any further on the Fury fights and yes he fought the best heavyweight of the division, fair enough. I'm just not entirely convinced it would've happened without Fury's hiatus / breakdown.

Bowe imo is overrated and I don't appreciate his resume at all. His best wins are against Holyfield, a guy against who he had a favourable styles matchup, who fought Bowe's fight in their first fight, and in the third one was clearly not on form. He avoided the big punchers around at the time (or more likely Rock Newman) and I think it costs his legacy.

 

I don't know. As this forum's Mitchologist in chief, after scouring Mitch's library of posts going back 5 years I found that there was a period of about a year where he rated King Charles Martin above Takam. Coincidentally, this abruptly changed when 42 year old, 2 KO defeat Ortiz one-punch KO'd Martin.

The only fighter on Joshua's record who @Mitch87 could never discount or undermine is Klitschko. Everyone else was expendable, including Povetkin prior to KO'ing Whyte. But seeing as Fury dethroned active champion 4/1 favourite 11 year unbeaten Wlad in Germany via schooling 17 months prior, Mitch's CV propaganda has always been based on a foundation built on sand.

January 2021

Mitch rates Martin (who drew with Morales and was a Kownacki-victim) more highly than Takam. 42 year old, 2x Wilder KO victim Ortiz goes on to one-punch KO Martin. You’ll never guess what happens next...

January 2022

Mitch moves the goalposts and lies, claiming that he “always” rated Takam more highly than Martin.

 

Public money does influence odds but so does "expert opinion". If the bookies believe that public opinion is wrong, they will tailor the odds to maximise profit/minimise risk accordingly by not responding to the flow of public money as strongly as they otherwise would.

A panel of 22 "experts" cast their votes in this Ring article, which more or less reflected the odds:

https://www.ringtv.com/548392-fight-picks-deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury/

Of those who voted for one man or the other, 38% backed Fury to win. This was not a Joshua-Ruiz situation, where next to no one backed Ruiz. It was not a Joshua-Klitschko situation either, where Joshua was a firm favourite and very few were picking Wlad. Fury was seen as the 2nd most dangerous opponent for Wilder in late 2018. Povetkin, Ortiz and Whyte were all given considerably less chance in 2018 than Fury. And No.1 ranked Fury was regarded as Wilder's most dangerous possible opponent in fights 2 and 3.

"if you are a titleholder then you are obliged to fight the best and the best only"

Unrealistic; examine the records of past champions and you'll find plenty of weak opponents and tickovers. Who "obligates" you? The sanctioning bodies have mandatories but they are corrupt. Usyk's WBA mandatory is Dubois, who is there purely because of promotional power. Usyk is obligated to fight Dubois to keep one of the belts he holds, despite Dubois not being a "top 10" heavyweight by any measure (he may not even be "top 20").

Wilder's opposition was certainly on the weaker side for a titlist prior to 2018 (and especially prior to 2015 when he was beltless) but since then it has generally been of a very high standard, arguably the best in the division. If Wilder fights Joshua next than his post-2018 record of consistently fighting opponents in the Ring top 1-7 (which would comprise 6 of his 8 opponents during this period) continues.

Perhaps Bowe is overrated but that doesn't make it any less true that he gets more credit for going 2-1 with Holyfield than for his other 40+ wins combined. And rightly so because what else is there? Two DQ wins over Golota, who was thrashing him (both legally and illegally), or decisioning a Malik Scott-esque Donald, or his war with Hide? The Holyfield wins are almost entirely what his status as a H2H beast is based on because Holyfield was easily his highest level opponent, with more ability to adapt in and between fights than anyone else Bowe fought. Unsurprisingly, it turns out there was more risk of Bowe losing to Holyfield once over 3 fights than to everyone else he fought over 40+.

 

I can’t even begin to imagine what kind of dweeb would even consider “scouring Mitch's library of posts going back 5 years”

 

Wow so now redbeard (and his mates) hates -
AJ
Chisora
Whyte
Takam
Bowe

Yet gives props to Fury and Wlad.

Looool dont make it too obvious pal.

 

To be fair wilder was his favourite until fury beat him.

 

And before that it was Dustin Nichols.

 

I don't want to go down that particular road, as it's probably a little unfair on him, but he does love going absolutely mental over statistics whilst removing all context that wouldn't be helpful to him.

Let's look at this 13-8-1 claim (38%), and the panel of experts that supposedly align with betting odds (suggestive of general consensus)...

https://www.ringtv.com/548392-fight-picks-deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury/

Of the 22 expert opinions the Ring gathered on who would win the fight, there was:

• one African American

• one corner man of Tyson Fury

and........

• one first-cousin of Tyson Fury

Oh look, the first expert is Gareth A Davies. Let's see what Fury's biggest cheerleader, the GAD had to say on the fight:

 

Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. You’ve made some decent points but I’m still not convinced personally.

 

redbeard is right also i have to say wilder would absolutely plonker joshua if joshua comes trying to knock wilder out he could maybe do better if he boxed on back foot yes hes crap at that but wilder prefers folk coming to him and he would plonker joshua we all know that joshua would be hit once and he would be scared hed start thinking of all the money hes made and how he might not be able to spend it if he gets to hurt like brain damage or whatever or if wilder splits his nose into 5 parts hed go into his shell

 

Jim your posts are impossible to understand. You need to use full stops.

 

Joshua on the back foot against Wilder is close to a sitting duck.

 

no its not mate joshua is not skilled on back foot but he is not stiverne who was a sitting duck the second time wilder is not skilled in pressing the action

 

Wilder loves it at range, have you seen him fight? You need to pressure wilder and push him back