Wilder vs Ortiz official who wins?

Which fighters was Ortiz unable to catch in his last few fights? Only Scott off the top of my head, and Ortiz won a ridiculously lopsided decision over him. That's no blueprint for victory, and Wilder won't be able to fight that way anyway.

 

Hahaha you sound like you feel VERY similar to me about this fight, though in the Groves vs Eubank fight (which I backed Groves in) there is a bit of a difference versus this one - Groves was the bigger more powerful and skilled man, Eubank the younger more athletic man. In this fight Luis Ortiz the more skilled man... Wilder is the younger, bigger, more powerful and more athletic man.

I still feel like I am missing something seriously this time as the expert opinions way outnumber mine on this one, I feel like Ortiz has a seriously good chance in it - I'm not saying I think he is a strong favourite by any stretch, and know he's up against it but I feel most people seem to see this fight differently to how I do.

Still, I'm not a ***** and not going to keep my head low when it looks based off expert opinions like I could be well track here. What makes these conversations interesting is sharing opinions and reflecting on it afterwards - I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong and feel like I should occasionally if I'm going to gloat when I'm right. I'm not a Wilder hater, I just feel Ortiz has the tools to make a really tough night for him if he's not worked on his game.

I am mega excited for the weekend, we'll learn a lot about both guys very soon! This is definitely the start of the HW division seriously lighting up and showing where it's talent is at

 

Difference between this fight and Eubank Jr vs Groves is Wilder has power and a proper heavy vs Eubank Jr who has little power and was smaller than Groves.

Wilder has a get out of jail card.

 

One thing I don't see too many people commenting on is Ortiz's bodywork. He throws hard to the body, and from a variety of angles and distances. Has Wilder ever had to weather a consistent body attack before? I can't think of a time he has. Ortiz doesn't need to catch Wilder's head if he can fold him up with a straight left to the stomach.

 

I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I dispute that Wilder is the bigger or more powerful man in this fight; rather, he's the taller and quicker man. That's an advantage for him if he knows how to use it, but I'm not sure recent fights have proven that he does.

On the other side, Ortiz is much more heavy handed than him and looks to be stronger in the clinch as well. Plus, he's built like a tank and looks like he could take a ton of punishment given his frame and the fact that he's never been hurt before, barring a headbutt from Scott that knocked him off balance more than anything else.

Wilder might be able to do more damage if he can control distance and whip those long punches in around Luis's guard, or strafe him down the pipe, but if he can't do that then Ortiz suddenly becomes a lot more effective. I think it's far more likely that Luis will be the one controlling range, and Wilder having to make his shots work against him than vice versa.

I'm a little baffled at the mix of opinions here as well. Lots of posters whose opinions I generally agree with going with Wilder for quite superficial reasons. Ortiz is way more talented and dangerous than anyone Wilder's been in with, and holds a lot of stylistic advantages as well. I think people are seriously sleeping on him, and might be in for a rude awakening come Saturday night.

Then again, maybe the same will apply for me! Intriguing fight, whatever happens.

 

Wilder is quite a small heavy, weight wise. He's routinely weighed in in the 220s and was something like 219 in his last fight. His height and upper body build make him look bigger than he really is, but in actual fact he's not much bigger than a rehydrated cruiserweight. His power comes mainly from his speed, leverage, and unorthodox attacking angles, things which a fighter of Luis's calibre should be able to deal with and neutralise.

It's not like he holds any huge physical advantages in this fight. Ortiz can more than match him in a number of ways there.

 

Agreed. I think a lot of people just see the size difference and forget (or don't realise) that Ortiz has one of the biggest reaches in boxing. Wilder's body stands to get a battering in this fight, I feel.

I'll share a piece of humble pie with you if it's needed, but there could be some quality told ya so's to be had as well haha

 

I've been hinting at it for a bit

 

Sorry bro. Must have missed it!

I definitely see Ortiz's straight left proving a potent shot in this fight, and his short chopping hooks on the inside are going to play their part as well.

The only danger here is if he overextends with something, as he has a tendency to do, and leaves himself open to an uppercut (which isn't Wilder's bread and butter punch, but one he can throw with some venom if he has to).

 

That's true. Though it'll be his ringcraft that'll be the deciding factor here, rather than his reach. Wilder could, potentially, keep things on the outside if he knew how to do so, but I'm increasingly coming to think that the Stiverne performance was a one off, or enabled only due to Stiverne's glacial footwork.

Yeah definitely. I don't mind being proved wrong if that's the way it goes, but I'd rather give my honest opinions on a fight and run the risk of ridicule than go with the crowd and seek solace in numbers.

 

Oh, absolutely. They#re not directly comparable but I suppose it's more the narrative I noticed similarities in

 

Wilder by first round knockout. This will be a far easier and shorter fight than Stiverne two. Wilder just keeps getting better and better, and stronger and stronger.
Then he will be one fight away from crowning himself the greatest.

 

A completely manufactured fraud against a 50 year old guy whose success has been due to steroids he can no longer take.

I will say Ortiz. Wilder is that bad. But no one wins any glory here.

Joshua-Parker is the championship.

 

Lot rumours Instagram Ortiz has injured left arm any1 heard anything

 

its the typical good boxer with skills v out and out banger fighter with limited skillset

one we have all seen countless times
9 times out of 10 the skilfull boxer at world level nullifies the power of the banger by not getting hit much.

its why im picking ortiz / i think people see in a wilder a huge 6.7 /fast feet and hands with power and think he will put it all together and box like a tommy hearns at heavy.

he looks like in a few spots he can but also in the fight v spilzka which IMO is the best guide to how he will cope with ortiz he loaded up on right hands and missed so badly he fell face first to the floor / was amatuerish to the extreme on defense and when backed up to the ropes he was a sitting duck to straight lefts.

if wilder wins this IMO it will be a hail mary bailing him out / i cant see him outboxing ortiz with the exception of wilder hurting ortiz early and ortiz then boxing a very cautious fight.

but ortiz is a counterpuncher so wilder making mistakes and coming forwad is what ortiz wants.

ortiz is streets ahead of molina/stiverne/arreola/duhaupus/washington.

i actually thought spilzka boxed very well and showed abilty but had no power / yet spilzka was simply walked down and walked through by a blubbery whale in his next fight .

that was a career best performance by a mile by him from what i have seen.