Wilder vs Ortiz official who wins?

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I does not look so tbh.
Ortiz is looking great here, especially physically.

 

wilder by first ever heart attack stoppage.

 

Apparently Ortiz is weighing about 235....I think BC of that he will have a great chance to defeat Wilder.

If Ortiz is actually as good as I think he will defeat Wilder. He will defeat him BC he would make my top ten POSSIBLE head to head list.

Everything on this thread was basically covered , I think Wilder has Joshua on his mind more than Ortiz , I think Wilder thinks he's better than he actually is, these two things could make him lose this fight.

I think you have to go with the guy who is has not lost rounds or behind in fights nor rattled. I also think Wilder is prepared to lose should he.......

I'm going with Ortiz solely on his actual weight BC it will let him use quicker sharper angles to set up the punches and counter Wilder.

I'm not expecting any less of Ortiz in a title fight..one who had more time to prepare for and got a Martz fight in, which HELPS just being in the ring.

Ortiz UD.


Don't be SHOCKED if this ends in a draw.

Don't be SHOCKED if Wilder wins a controversial SD.

 

Clearly Scott, the other 2 after him were subpar and nothing can be taken from those fights.
I was mainly advising of Scott and Jennings. Ortiz did have some problems with Jennings pre-ko.
He never was able to catch Scott on the fly. He beat Scott lopsided because of course Scott didn't wanna be there but at the same time, Scott is the closest to Wilder in terms of foot speed and yes, Wilder can fight a keep away fight for 9 or 10 or 12 against a slower footed guy, he's already proven that. These fights were 3 years ago for Ortiz, if you don't think a normally not very mobile guy who is already older hasn't slowed down.................well

 

Like I said Scott is no blueprint for victory, unless Wilder knows the fix is in and all he has to do is reach the finish line to be declared the winner. If he actually wants to do more than just survive then he'll need to take the fight to Ortiz, and we saw what happened to the last couple of guys that did that.

As for Jennings, of course Ortiz had some problems with him; Jennings was a top guy who'd just pushed Wlad to a harder than expected points decision. He was no pushover. That Ortiz was able to demolish him as easily as he did should be seen as a major point in his favour, since no one had come close to doing that to Jennings before.

I just don't get what those two fights are supposed to tell us about how Wilder will do. Not get KOed and lose every round, or win a couple of rounds and get KOed? There's just nothing to build from there.

 

Ortiz for the win 100%.

 

Yeah, my fear is that Ortiz chases Wilder all over the ring but doesn't finish him off and loses a split decision or some nonsense. Would really hate to see that.

Ortiz looks pretty determined though, so the possibility of him taking a dive aren't as strong as before. Scott made a point of not training in the build up whereas Ortiz seems to have trained his ass off for this one. And there's no amicability there; Ortiz seems to have some real dislike for Wilder (well, who wouldn't?).

I'd like to see Ortiz use his jabs and angles to work his way in and start softening Wilder's midsection up. Keep backing Wilder up and preventing him from getting set. Maybe force him to do one of those amateurish lunges then punish him on the counter. He can't be too aggressive early on or he could leave himself open to something big.

Calm, controlled aggression and solid ring control will get him the win here. He needs to establish the pace and the distance before really letting his hands go, let Wilder expend all his energy reacting to feints and forward pressure, then lay down the boom.

 

Wilder, by stoppage in round 9

 

Wilder has an edge in: speed, mobility, workrate

Ortiz has an edge in: ring control, timing, experience

Wilder's flaws are: poor control of distance, poor footwork, wild technique in combinations, overreacts to minor feints and movements, tendency to admire his work and attempt to please the crowd

Ortiz's flaws are: lack of footspeed, lack of handspeed, slightly static head, tendency to lunge in against guys going backwards, untested in later rounds (stamina issues?).

Power is about equal for both men, though Wilder needs to load up while Ortiz is naturally heavy handed. Wilder's speed and explosiveness allows him to stun guys more easily though, while Ortiz's punches seem to have more of an accumulative effect.

On paper Wilder has the tools to win, if he sticks and moves and uses his long explosive jab and one two to keep Luis at a distance, while doing just enough to win the rounds. In reality though he struggled to outbox Gerald Washington, was driven back by Duhaupas's rudimentary pressure game, and found himself twisted up like a pretzel against averagely skilled southpaw Artur Szpilka.

It's the Szpilka fight that makes me think Luis has this in the bag, as Wilder found himself completely baffled at times with Szpilka's movement and angles. Luis needs to use Wilder's twitchiness against him; get him to overreact to perceived attacks, have him leaping all over the place until he gets tired out, then start unloading the heavy artillery while Wilder is caught against the ropes, body first, then head. Ortiz is definitely capable of doing this, and will likely attempt it in the fight. It's up to Wilder not to fall for it and maintain his own composure.

 

Wilder by TKO late in the 8th

 

Only one I have seen.

 

So how come you voted Wilder ... you and your Weir , Scobie and gods knows how many other alt account handles..

 

a plague has overtaken this thread.