Wilder vs Povetkin

Ali would've expose them? If Norton broke Ali's jaw, what do you suppose a much bigger and stronger Wlad or Vitali would do? My point, is Ali was not perfect, so do not glorify him. Why are you comparing durability and stamina of super middleweights and heavyweights? crazy because you can't compare apples to watermelons. Of course the lighter guys will have better endurance as they are not encumbered by excess muscle.

 

But hey at least we agree on Wilder and Lewis to some degree.

 

But hey at least we agree on WIlder ( and Lewis to an extent).

 

[boxed ears] "you shouldn't hate us because we're the best athletes"

... but clearly not the best boxers.

Damn, this guy makes dinovelvet look like a raving Klitschko fan :nut

 

Serge, check Stiverne doing the 'ice bucket challenge' on youtube, he looks fat as hell in it and it was taken few months before the fight.

 

Povetkin by KO.

I was worried about my pick between Stiverne/Wilder. I picked Stiverne because of how unproven Wilder was, but I knew that Wilder had the stylistic advantage. Stiverne was a "lazy" counter puncher. He often laid on the ropes and tried to find that one counter while receiving shots. Something I knew he couldn't do against Wilder because of the reach and power.

I'm fully behind Povetkin in this fight. He'll knockout Wilder.

 

[boxed ears] "We ARE the best boxers but our boxers are in bigger sports like American football and basketball."

Sure, and Sweden is still a world military power, but their soldiers are too busy being hippies.:rasta

[boxed ears] "Can you honestly look at someone like Orakpo or Mays and think Stiverne and Jennings are stronger"

If brute strength was everything then Bob Sapp would be an MMA legend and Mirko Filipovic would be pounded hamburger. :think Not to mention that Valuev would have been the greatest ATG boxer. :nono

[boxed ears] "This Klitschko thing is totally messing with your perception of reality."

There's nothing wrong with my perception of reality. It's clear that the Klitschkos are seriously big and skilled guys, who have taken a average era (I don't buy the "this is the worst era ever" theory) by the horns and ruled it with an iron fist. :deal People complain about Wlad's "hugging" and personally I hate it when fighters clinch each other like a couple at the prom, but - let's be fair - it's nothing new either. Hopkins is another clinch meister that just kills boxing for me, yet he also gets away with it. :-(( Ergo: change the rules, enforce them, or accept that within this paradigm Wlad is the best there is, by a long mile.

And yes, I also think that Povetkin would put Wilder to sleep.

Here's what I think has happened with boxing: a lot of impoverished east bloc folk have realised that they can make a living by pounding face where they could not do so a couple of decades ago. This has brought a rush of new talent out. Couple this with the relative wealth of the west (where there are easier ways to make a living other than by getting punched) and you may well have the reason why the US isn't necessarily the top of the boxing heap anymore.

Hey, whatever. I'm neither east bloc nor American. I just want to see good fights. And I have no problem with the Klitschkos, Kovalevs and Golovkins of the boxing world, their genuine and humble demeanour is a refreshing change from what we were used to. :thumbsup

 

Boxed Ears: I am a veteran and respect the sh*t out of Chris Kyle.

 

I don't see what my political views - which are conservative and libertarian - has to do with Ali and the debate we are having.

 

Yes I stated that the smaller guys of the 168 are better athletes and Ali was not the greatest..... that honor belongs to Joe Louis.

 

Boxed Ears, you are very ignorant to assume my nationality: I am an American that loves my country; however I am intellectually honest enough to know when we don't have the best heavies in boxing (MMA is another story). I also think America should embrace the Klits more as I would be proud as hell to call them Americans is they were. So, in closing: I am an American and Active Duty Military ( and anyone who thinks snipers are cowards can say it to my face as I have seen them in action and have been trained by Seals), and I love steak, pizza, and Bald Eagles. Please don't make anymore false inferences about my nationality or my political ideology. And people should be jealous of America because it's the tits.

 

If shot to **** Wladimir who's jab has quickly deteriorated can make Povetkin do the silly dance with exactly that, a jab, then imagine what Wilder would do to Povetkin's already huge and presumably chronically swollen nose with his straight right hand.

To be honest I think Wilder has so much power, his punches would give Povetkin a new hair cut, a decent one.

 

BCS8 LOL... good one bro.