Wilder vs Povetkin

Would have given Wilder the edge although I think the overhand rights and left hooks from Povetkin would have caused him massive trouble. I see this being similar to the first Ortiz fight - highly competitive with Wilder getting hurt. However I would haves leaned towards his power and athleticism allowing him to win a late stoppage.

 

Povetkin

 

70:30 Povetkin.

Way too skilled, way too proven and would've denied Wilder the space to swing.

Wilder would've had a punchers chance in his prime, but Povetkin was way, way, way better than anyone he ever beat.

This would have been a mismatch on the same level as Parker-Wilder or Fury-Wilder 2.

 

Unless we're talking about the Pov from the Whyte rematch, though, we're talking about a fighter levels better than Ortiz?

And Ortiz being close to winning the first bout, I would've thought a better fighter with a style better suited to beating Wilder would've had to be a very strong favourite?

 

You raise valid points - Povetkin is certainly faster and more nimble than Ortiz. I guess I was more thinking about Povetkin in his older years, when he had slowed down a little and would have been easier for Wilder to take out.

Still I do agree with you Povetkin had the tools to beat Wilder and in a fight, prime for prime, I think he would have given Deontay fits and potentially knocked him out.

 

I go with Povetkin. After Wład Klitschko loss he really improved in his boxing. We call him in Polish site Povetkin 2.0
He was monster back then. KO solid opponents one by one.
Wilder never fought with someone like him and I bet he was not ready for fight like that.
A special in Moscow where fight must be after Riabinski win it easy.

Off course Wilder can KO anybody with Perfect punch but Sasha was much more proven fighter than anybody Wilder beat.

Joshua got big win over Sasha but this was not same dude after all this fake PEDS ban.
For me this whole positive test of Sasha 2 times smell as...
Probably this was their plan to safe Wilder from him.

Ostarine? In one of test when they knew excatly that they are on VADA eyes? ***** please.
Probably whole Stiverne fight was fake and Bermane knew he will never fight with this Russian fella.

But whatever. In thread I will choose Povetkin. 60/40 for Sasha.

 

It was a shame we didn't see Povetkin V Wilder when it was confirmed as they would have been in their best days. It could have been a really great fight.

Wilder at the time would have knocked out the Wilder that fought Parker easily. No question about that.

If Wilder and Povetkin had fought then, it will be an unpopular opinion to finish off. However, I think both fighters would start with an aggresive tempo, throwing big shots, with each one looking to gain one others respect, looking to control the fight. But, with Povetkin slightly too aggressive in doing so, which backfires as Wilder has Povetkin's respect instead by landing well timed counters mainly, helped slightly by his jab when on the front foot. This leads Povetkin to fight cautiously on the backfoot in which Povetkin finds some success doing so, outboxing Wilder enough to win the rounds when the fight is played at a low tempo with both men looking to conserve their stamina after a high tempo start. I think the pattern would somewhat continue to the mid to late rounds but with neither fighter really on the front foot then, until Povetkin attempts to throw his trademark left, fairly similar to what Szpilka did - but gets knocked out by a massive counter right by Wilder.

I think Ortiz might have beaten Povetkin at the time as well.

 

Povetkin would have brutally exposed him.

 

Povetkin probably.

But Povetkin can get caught too, might not survive, but he did survive getting dropped twice by Wlad (second one wasn't counted). So I don't think Wilder can just win with one bomb.

They were scared enough of him to dodge the fight for a minor substance when Wilder is almost certainly roided (his magical lean weight gain for Fury 2 good evidence of what's available to him).

Povetkin probably lands a devastating counter and finishes him off unlike Ortiz. Price described how accurate Povetkin was.

Younger Povetkin beats AJ too. He was already on the way out by the time of that fight, which is obviously why they took it then and not earlier.

 

Wilder has never beaten a boxer like Povetkin. Povetkin's uppercut against White could be something Wilder could watch and learn from.

 

Povetkin by KO no later than the 4th round

 

Povetkin is a front foot pressure fighter with excellent skills, he'd have Wilder backing up and so would negate that right hand of Wilder's as he wouldn't be able to unload it very often.

Povetkin gave Joshua all kinds of problems when he was 39 and past his prime, a 36 year old Povetkin would of KO'ed Wilder in my opinion. Stylistic nightmare for him, he'd have him backing up with all those little feints Povetkin used, if Parker could do it Povetkin could as he was more skilled than Parker as a pressure fighter.

Povetkin was great at disguising his attacks. He'd drop the left shoulder and from that position he could throw a variety of punches, so he's give a fighter the same look but be able to attack from multiple vectors from that one position. It's why Joshua could never really anticipate what was coming and why he took so many punches from Povetkin. Wilder would be in the same boat, unable to know what's coming and with his reactive defence he'd be put into a defensive posture for most of the fight.

Sure Wilder has a punchers chance but it's greatly diminished when he's forced to fight on the back foot. Povetkin was stopped by Joshua but he was 39 and it wasn't one punch that ended it. Joshua caught him with a flush right hand then another flush right hand, left hook. Remember how many times a prime Povetkin was down vs Wlad but got up each time. Plus Wilder has shown while he has great one shot power his finishing isn't great, how many times did he have Fury down and it's not just Fury, it took 3 knockdowns to finish Ortiz off the first time, he couldn't finish a past prime Arreoal when had him down, had Molina down twice in earlier rounds before finishing him in the 9th, had Gavern down twice but again couldn't finish him until Gavern quit and there's plenty of other examples earlier in his career. So even if he drops Povetkin, chances are he can't finish him and Povetkin gets up, survives and KO's Wilder.

 

Wilder has a chance against anyone with that right hand but 9/10 times Povetkin mops the floor with Wilder

 

Bingo.

Stylistically Povetkin is all kinds of wrong for Wilder, and definitely had the power to stop him.

Even if one were to (grossly inaccurately as it'd be, in my view) decide to rank Povetkin and Ortiz equally overall - Ortiz went 50/50 with a style much more comfortable/beatable for Wilder... A fighter on the same level with a natural front foot pressure style would have won.

But let's be honest here, Povetkin was levels above Ortiz.

So what we're really talking about is a much better fighter than someone who went very close, with a strong stylistic advantage... I'd have given Povetkin a very high chance of winning - and I think Wilder did too, which is why he wanted no part of it.

(Arguably the same reason Wilder wanted no part of Whyte either - as crude as he was, Whyte would've backed him up and had the power to hurt him).